Australia to send warship and Defence Force personnel to Middle East to support US

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  1. alexa

    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    WOW!
     
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    You have committed yourself to supporting the US by putting your one worship there. The UK under Hunt made clear it did not want to do this but was trying instead to get a European maritime protection. Given that it was the UK, following US orders which illegally impounded the Iranian ship, it would look like the UK was trying by stealth to get Europe involved. Europe made clear it would not be involved in any way. Europe unlike it would appear Australia is perfectly aware of what it would be doing putting warships there. The UK I think sent one or two warships. That has both Australia and the UK in the region should the US do anything to kick things off. That is why you are there so that you will be drawn into war on the American side should things kick off and as will obviously happen, your boat will be a target. The same with the UK.
     
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    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, it's terrible isn't it but many countries around the world have suffered from Muslim terrorism.
     
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    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Do you think as a consequence that more Muslims will murder innocent people in Australia and the UK?
     
  5. alexa

    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your claim that 'Islam' is against the US, illustrates the depth of your wrong thinking and the reality that for you it is a war against religion. I was just surprised you made your position so obvious though of course everything else you write says it too which is why I generally ignore you but now you have it as a holy war by the US against Islam. That is what, what you wrote states and in that it states your personal view more than anything. Given this is your position, nothing else you say means anything unless to a person who shares your position - the US is at war against Islam.
     
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    If you go to war against Iran, I have heard it suggested the US may well suffer from a massive increase in terrorism at home as well as of course attacks on its bases in the ME. This is well known and what keeps the US from attacking Iran, particularly now the ME States have made clear they are not wanting war with Iran as they believe that even a mild strike on Iran will result in a major strike on them. The US has discovered that this time it will not just be a case of them destroying yet another country resulting in millions of deaths - the total death from the destruction the US set in motion of the ME possibly being as much as 4 million, one million in Iraq as well as well as the millions of homeless people. This time, if the US is intent on trying to kill yet millions more civilians, it will hurt to.

    By the way, the US was made aware by British intelligence that there was no Al Qaeda types in Iraq - one of its justifications for attack - but that to invade Iraq would be the very thing which would bring them there. Our intelligence also told the US that there was a strong possibility that this would also lead to Islamic terrorist attacks on the streets of London. It has to be considered that the US doing something which it knew would almost certainly cause this when the other reason given, that Iraq was on the end of having WMD's which could reach the streets of London in 45 minutes was also a lie, wanted and intended on bringing Islamic terrorism to the streets of London and the ME in general.
     
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    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In fact I said "Islam isn't just against the United States" though perhaps I should have said Muslims.

    There is also no "Holy War" against Islam and have no way of knowing how you got that idea. I was only commenting on Islamic terrorism and how it isn't restricted to just one country, as is obvious to everyone.

    The US is not at war against Islam, no one said it was, so there is no need for any paranoia. Perhaps you should seek counselling.
     
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    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    History shows that there has always been islamic terrorism and, until there is a Renaissance of sorts, it will likely continue. These attacks were happening well before Iraq and, as usual, it was mostly Muslims killing other Muslims. In fact they tried to prevent Democracy from taking place in Iraq.

    Yes, that was well known.
    Yes, I agree and the West erred in thinking that Muslims would want to be rid of a ruthless dictator who had murdered thousands of his own people, had spent eight years in a war with Iran, and had invaded Kuwait. They were wrong. Although he was hanged by an Iraqi court Muslims outside Iraq seemed to really like him.

    And by allowing unlimited numbers of Muslims into Western Europe it has only made them more vulnerable to further attacks on civilians, young and old. And of course Iran having nuclear weapons would be a disaster for the entire world.
     
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    I am sure you would mean Muslims as well. Yes, Islam. Your argument is against Islam and as you added Muslims. Your war, and I am speaking at the moment about your personal position because this is not the one which is widely stated, is against Islam and/or Muslims. Your motivation is religion.
     
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    Nonsene. History shows, as Carter has said that the US is the most war like nation in the history of the world.
    so you believe the US and UK were right to lie to their supposed Democracies as to the reason for the war because you believe it was right to destroy Iraq, massively increase Islamic terrorism and bring such to the West all because you believe Sadham was a bastard and even fought in your supported war against Iran. The US like Russia is not an allie which can be trusted as Merkle has rightly said,
    So the US ought not to have acted in a way it knew would have ensured this. Had it thought that they might reach the US I am sure its attitude would have been different.
    and...again you illustrate that your war is against Islam.
     
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    So? Another coalition war. Doesnt surprise me espevially Irans intentions of eliminating Israel. Bring it on Persians. We'll run your kegs dry with our yard glass.
     
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    You support a war on Iran. That is your view and almost certainly why you have sent your warship there. Your coalition will be the US, Israel, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain, Australia and possibly but by no means definitely the UK. Enjoy. I believe you took part in Vietnam as well. Will be like old times. ;)
     
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    If it was nothing more than that as in "nothing special or nothing to wright home about", you would not open a thread about it.

    Right?
     
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    Always good to have the diggers on board. Although this is nothing new, we have an RAN frigate with us when I was pirate hunting.
     
  15. Bush Lawyer

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    Nah. In the context of 'Australia to the rescue,' as you were asserting, it is 'nothing special to wright (sic) home about.'
     
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    'Pirate hunting?'
     
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    I do believe Islam creates ignorance and the evidence is everywhere. However if you have anything positive to say about Islam that isn't available elsewhere I'd be very pleased to hear it.
     
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    The second worst President in American history has been suffering from advanced dementia for decades.
    I don't believe they lied but there were certainly errors. I do believe that the US has far more influential allies than Iran. Again, I'm surprised how devoted Muslims are to Saddam Hussein, despite him killing so many of them. That they would murder so many innocent people, despite the Iraqi Islamic courts giving him the death penalty. substantiates my claim in the previous paragraph.
    Not likely.
    Of course, though I wouldn't describe it as 'war'. I'm for education and against ignorance. This is hardly 'war' and a common attitude among all the western democracies.
     
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    What do you call it when you constantly preach free trade, but hold it hostage to regulatory convergence?

    Something worse than bullying.
     
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    Wow you are bragging about WW2, interesting, I assume you are referring to the Sydney and Kormoran? Both were sunk. Look up more meaningful times we kicked your ass. Try looking up Tobruk, where a Garrison of mostly Australians stopped Rommel and his Afrika Corps.
     
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    I think he is referring to the HMAS Sydney, sunk of the coast of WA by the German auxiliary cruiser Kormoran. November 1941
     
  24. Bush Lawyer

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    Of course he is....and that discussion was weeks ago, Military!
     
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    Yeah,
    sure, it sounds like Iraq had weapon of mass destruction. Wasn't that another lie?
    DB (deaf and blind) won't help.....
    Reg.
     

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