Australian election

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  1. garry17

    garry17 Well-Known Member

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    It seems the Coalition is in the position to form government.

    We can argue about why and who is to blame. My thoughts and I am sure I am not alone, Shorten himself was the cause. I am sure people will say the increased taxes and the damaging cuts to tax concessions while many will be looking at the way the ALP will spend the money…




    Either way, I think all on the board have stated that the ALP needs to refocus on their base. One thing that has been apparent, the ALP powerhouses in the party, Richo and so on are looking for blood. Listening to Conroy and Miles stumbling their way through their commentary rolls. This has been a huge shock the ALP…


    As for Abbott, well he ran a hard election campaign and lost under some very poor and embarrassing acts… Australia should condemn the actions of defacing posters, lies and the violence committed in the campaign. Gettup and others should be brought to account for their actions as poor as they are. This however, does not detract from the fact the people of his electorate decided not to elect him again. It is their prerogative and Even though some people acted in such despicable manner, I am sure it was not the reason for his loss. His speech conceding made no condemnation and was rather respectful of all about. Maybe a shot at Turnbull but apart from the inferred reference did not denote any degradation. Hate him, like him he now is resigned to history.
     
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    Sallyally Well-Known Member Donor

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    Thats a bit worrying. I’m glad she spoke to you.
     
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    crank Well-Known Member

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    The Northern Exposure thing should be a thing. The town pays for your medical degree, and you pay it back by working there for a set period. Failure to complete either the course or the internship results in full liability for all costs.
     
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    Unfortunately (and I say this as a member of both the medical community AND the migrant community), what you experienced isn't incompetence. I'll let you figure out what it is.
     
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    1) The ALP is solely to blame. Shorten had some to do with it, but not all.

    2) Bingo! When the ALP began to regard the unwashed with contempt, the unwashed returned the insult. Still, not sure why it was a shock. Plenty of folk have been telling 'em to reconnect with the unwashed. They must REALLY live in a cultish bubble if it was even the least bit shocking. Do we want cultish bubble dwellers running the joint?
     
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    I agree that Shorten was a contributing factor, but not the whole thing. I didn't see him as much worse a party leader than Scomo, he just failed utterly to market ALP policy in QLD, TAS, NSW and SA. Even in the NT the Liberals won a swing toward them.

    I think where they go from here is:

    1. Find a viable position on climate policy which does not adversely affect people outside Melbourne and Canberra.

    2. Find a likable leader. I'd go with Plibersek.

    3. Tone down the rhetoric on those earning 100k+. Contrary to what you might think professional workers (doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc) can be inclined to vote Labour if it doesn't hit their hip pocket too badly.

    4. Appeal to regional areas by organising some sort of Country Labour alternative, like the Nationals or Country Libs.

    5. Stem the bleeding of ALP votes in Queensland into One Nation.
     
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    I would agree with all but the last - better to focus on their own policy than persist in demonising.
     
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    Sallyally Well-Known Member Donor

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    Does 1 mean that new coal mines have to be tolerated?
     
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    Maybe. Just like Progressive fracturing of social structures and enfeebling of the citizenry have to be tolerated.

    Hint: We won't find an agreeable (to ALL) alternative to coal when society is fractured and enfeebled.
     
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    That is possible depending on what that part of the electorate thinks. Platitudes are good fun and make you feel righteous, but if you can't form government you can't do anything.

    I wasn't saying CCS was necessarily a component of my plan, I moreso meant we need to find some way of getting low carbon energy for a low price. Low carbon energy at a high price is not politically viable and never will be.

    Of all countries that don't have geothermal and hydro and a small population, I think France does it best.

    They have a very competitive cost/kWh, third lowest in Europe. They also have a much lower carbon footprint, as 40% of their grid is nuclear.

    Not even modern salt based reactors which so not boil off and melt down. They're using the old stuff.

    A modern look at all these issues clearly points toward modern, safe, relatively inexpensive, low waste, carbon neutral nuclear power.
     
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    Too late she cried. Society is already fractured and enfeebled.
     
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    It's going to get far far worse. Melbourne is the bellwether.
     
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    Sure it’s not Brisbane?
     
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    At around 2% of our/your gross income not affordable. Our medicare system needs a decent overhaul. I am happy to pay more, but hey, some reckon I am a lefty anyway....
    Reg.
     
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    With thee new govt in majority that may happen. Might be an overhaul of SBS, the ABC ....
     
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    Brisbane is the opposite. They are not dismantling essential social structures.
     
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    Better late than never!

    Outrageously partisan, both of them. No tax-payer funded institution should exercise ANY bias whatsoever.
     
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    Sallyally Well-Known Member Donor

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    Not so,crank. The ABC usually gets complaints from both sides about perceived bias.
     
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    Come on now .. we know both are significantly Left leaning. Even Lefties know it.
     
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    Sallyally Well-Known Member Donor

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    What are you saying crank?
     
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    Nuh, nonsense.
    Typical conservative attitude.
    Remember how not long ago Justin Milne sacked Michelle Guthrie( a lib appointee)? Then wanted to get rid of Andrew Probyn and Emma Alberici
    “ because the lib govt hated them”?
    Hardly displaying left wing bias.

    “But most members of the conservative movement are hostile to the ABC because it is said to be biased. Accusations of bias are useful tools to undermine confidence and support for the ABC, just as fake news is deployed by Putin's Russia to undermine social stability and confidence in institutions of the West, especially the USA. Chip, chip, chip, crash!”
    https://www.smh.com.au/national/is-the-abc-really-biased-20180629-p4zoh5.html
     
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    I'm not a Conservative. Sheesh, there sure are a lot of bubble-dwelling Lefties here!
     
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    I'm saying they're perfectly competent.
     
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    And?
     
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    I’m not convinced yet Crank. Once more with feeling.
     
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