Australian Employment Party

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  1. Sushisnake

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    Why would anyone join this party, when they want Australia aligned with the antiquated and corrupt UN?
     
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    They're new and haven't got enough members to register yet.
     
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    I shall do a bit of light reading. Thanks for heads up.
     
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    The horse has bolted. The train has left the station.

    Australia was a founding member of the United Nations (UN) in 1945 and has been actively engaged in the organisation since its formation. The UN is seen by the Australian Government as a means to influence events which directly affect Australia's interests but over which they have little unilateral
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    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia_and_the_United_Nations

    I agree the UN is antiquated, corrupt and in need of reform. My first reform would be ending the power of veto five nations currently enjoy and deploy to the detriment of so many in other nations. So many resolutions vetoed, so many international laws broken and nothing done because so many resolutions vetoed.

    But my answer is to reform and strengthen the UN.
     
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    Jobs for everyone... yea the public service is a fine example of a highly efficient, productive and profitable workplace /sarcasm
    :fishing:

    I wont say its impossible, but its going to require a serious incentive system to drive effort and growth, otherwise its would sink the nation IMO.
     
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    Careful. Your bias is showing, axialturban :)
    The public service is highly efficient and highly productive. It used to be a lot more so, but the fad for outsourcing program delivery has damaged it, especially its memory. It has a short memory now. If we buried it tomorrow we'd have to play the Midnight Oil song as we lowered its poor maimed, battered body to its eternal rest.

    And the funeral's inevitable: Alzheimers kills. Always.

    As for profitable, it's not required to be. It's the public service. How would you go about making health profitable? Involuntary euthanasia of the sick, perhaps?

    I entirely agree with your last point. It is going to take serious incentive. It's going to take commitment. Thirty years of faith that the market will provide hasn't provided the jobs. It's provided growth. It's provided wealth. But only for a few. Time to toss it out.
     
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    The permanent members will never relinquish their power of veto. Therefore, such an organisation can never be reformed?
     
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    While outsourcing contributed to problems facing the public service sector, it wasn't the main problem. The main problem arose from politicians hiring bureaucrats as CEO of these organisations, who didn't know how to competently manage them correctly - hence the outsourcing.
     
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    It still could be reformed. It's crazy isn't it? The League of Nations was disbanded because it failed to prevent World War Two. It failed because it was straightjacketed by it's reliance on cooperation from the Great Powers. The UN was created and has to rely on cooperation from the five Great Powers writ large in the veto power it gave them. Three of the five are hardly great powers anymore- and one great power- the USSR - no longer exists.
     
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    Could you cite examples to illustrate your point please?
    I was referring to public program service delivery outsourced to private companies eg Job Services Australia; Evocca College; the Home Insulation Program; Broadspectrum Australia.
     
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    You have higher expectations in being able to reform the UN than myself.

    Unless the reform you are advocating encompasses a completely different system to the current one?

    I personally cannot see the current system being reformed. Those “over the hill” bureaucrats are not going to give up their lavish lifestyles for reform. Why would they give up their penthouses and endless cocktail parties for reform? Not to mention their fleeting authority.

    If you look carefully at the UN. It has caused and created more world conflict; civil wars, and global wars, then it was created to stop. How in hell can anyone intellectually state the UN is a platform for peace?

    In essence, its bastard organisation by anyone’s standard definition.

    The UN flew under the radar for many decades as the global organisation for world peace. But after it granted the invasion of Iraq, many countries and people saw the UN for what it really was.

    Looking at the Australian Constitution; Australia should not be taking orders by the UN regardless. Australia is a Sovereign Country, and legally bound by the Australian Constitution first, and should not be taking or accepting orders by a foreign or secondary power. Under the Constitution, that is treason.
     

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