Austria convicts Holocaust doubter

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  1. Anobsitar

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    A Jew is for sure not a Holocaust denier - except on psychopathological reasons. The Nazis had murdered about 1/3 of all Jews. No - I don't think this man is a Jew. Nearly every Jew lost people during the shoa. The Nazis had murdered by the way not only Jews in their industry of death.

     
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    I've seen trhe pictures my mom's uncle brought home from Europe. No possible way to doubt those.
     
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    This man is a political prisoner and should apply for asylum the instant he is released.

    I disagree with his opinion, but the solution to incorrect speech is more speech, never less.
     
  4. Anobsitar

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    What this man not seems to know: There is no difference between Jews and Germans. Before Hitler came Jews lived like all other Germans in Germany and spoke German and/or the local dialects - not Yiddish, although Yiddish is a very wonderful German language too. In the East of Europe was hate against Germans and hate against Jews often not separated. In the East of the Slavic speaking part of Europe the Holocaust was indeed a genocide. But from the German point of view the Holocaust is a fratricide. Compared with Japan what he said would mean: "Japanese had the right to murder Buddhists" or "Japanese had the right to murder Shintoists". Also if this would had happened - hopefully never it will happen - this would be nothing else than a fratricide too.

     
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  5. Jazz

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    I guess they don't mention the name Paul Eisen in the Hasbara Handbook. He wrote...

    My Life as a Holocaust Denier

    http://www.righteousjews.org/article27a.html
    How could it be then that after the war there were still almost as many Jews in the world as before?
    He said he was. You probably didn't read his story.
    That sounds like a powerful word from your Hasbara menu. Truth is that a lot of people died of typhus at the end of the war. An epidemic had broken out due to no food, no medicine, badly damaged infrastructure and sanitation facilities because Germany was in ruins and suffered as much as the camp inmates did.
    One question: Why did the "Industry of death" not just starve all inmates, like the Americans did with the surrendered German POWs? They killed in about six weeks 1.7 million soldiers by leaving them as they were in the open fields without anything! The Germans could have done the same with the Jews and be done with them in a couple of months, IF extermination had been their plan. NO, they wanted them for labor and housed and fed them properly. And then, in the very end still gave the inmates (Wiesel and company) the choice to either stay and wait for the Russian liberation or march on foot (no trains or trucks available) with their guards westward?
    Don't you find that irrational of a "Death Industry"?
     
  6. Jazz

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    Yes, more speech, more open debate... that would be the proper democratic way to handle such disagreements. Unfortunately, Austria, among many other European countries, is also signatory to holocaust doubt and denial being a criminal offense.
     
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    5.6 - 6.2 million Jews were murdered during the Shoa. That's about 1/3 of all Jews. Normally everyone says "6 million" to show the dimension of this industrialized form of mass-murder on social-Darwinian reasons.

     
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    Who is ... Ah got it. ... What said he? ... ah: an extreme criminal idiot. The English speaking world seems to be indeed a litte absurde on its own. It seems to make everyone sick sometimes.

     
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    Jews were before Hitler came Germans like all others. I don't know why everyone ignores this.

     
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  10. Jazz

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    And I don't know why everyone ignores this:
    According to James Bacque's "Crimes and Mercies", the Fate of the German Civilians Under Occupation 1944-1950 given the extra-ordinal harsh conditions imposed upon them by the Allies (i.e., the British, French, Soviets, and Americans), at least 9.3 million and possibly as many as 13.7 million Germans, had, by 1950, needlessly died as a result.

    O.k., the Jews...
    Yes, they lived among the German people, but then they started to take over and soon the Communists (98% Jews) filled just about every leading and official seat in Germany. They were not Germans, though they ruled Germany before Hitler came and dethroned them. That's when they declared war on Germany:
    THE JEWS DECLARE WAR ON GERMANY (1933).

    Excerpt:
    Read entire article here:
    https://unitedocumentz.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/jewsdeclarewarongermany1933.pdf

    And then there is one of my favorite Jews, Benjamin Freedman, who described how it was with the boycott of German goods.
    Listen to him here:

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    Isn't it logical to detain such traitorous people in your own country during war time?
    Unfortunately, Germany lost the war and so the victors got to write the history. The German kids of the following generations all have to learn the enemies' version of the war, including, under threat, that their forefathers gassed 6 million Jews to death.

    Truth is that Heinrich Himmler, the boss of the Concentration Camps issued orders on December 28, 1942, that "The death rate in the concentration camps must be reduced at all costs". The camps had been hit with a deadly typhus epidemic. The loss of workers was hurting war production.
    Inspector of the camps, Richard Glucks, responded to Himmler's order on January 20, 1943, "Every means will be used to lower the death rates" (Nuremberg Tribunal Document No. 1523).

    On September 30, 1943, it was shown that the camp death rate had been reduced from 8.5% in July, 1942 to 2.8% in June 1943.

    The German SS arrested Buchenwald Commandant, Karl Koch in 1943 for mistreating and even executing some prisoners. After an investigation Koch was found guilty by SS Judge Konrad Morgen and shot.

    Does all this sound like a policy of "extermination?"
    No, it doesn't!
     
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    Karl Koch was executed because he was guilty of corruption and the killing of other SS members to conceal his crimes.
     
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    Because of censorship of this forum I don't give answers any longer. Nevertheless you wrote an unbelievable bullshit.
     
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  13. Jazz

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    That I didn't know. Do you know what kind of corruption he engaged in?
    Actually, I should google it myself:

    Prosecution and death
    Koch's actions at Buchenwald first caught the attention of SS-Obergruppenführer Josias, Prince of Waldeck and Pyrmont in 1941. In glancing over the death list of Buchenwald, Josias had stumbled across the name of Dr. Walter Krämer, a head hospital orderly at Buchenwald, which he recognized because Krämer had successfully treated him in the past. Josias investigated the case and found out that Koch, in a position as the Camp Commandant, had ordered Krämer and Karl Peixof, a hospital attendant, killed as "political prisoners" because they had treated him for syphilis and he feared it might be discovered.
    Koch had been transferred to the Majdanek concentration camp in Poland, but his wife, Ilse, was still living at the Commandant's house in Buchenwald. Waldeck ordered a full scale investigation of the camp by Dr. Georg Konrad Morgen, an SS officer who was a judge in a German court.[citation needed] Throughout the investigation, more of Koch's orders to kill prisoners at the camp were revealed, as well as embezzlement of property stolen from prisoners. Other camp officials were charged, including Koch's wife. The trial resulted in Koch being sentenced to death for disgracing both himself and the SS. Koch was executed by firing squad on 5 April 1945.

    Marriage
    Koch first married in 1924 and had one son; however, his marriage ended in divorce 1931, due to his infidelity.

    http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Karl_Koch
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    He was a really bad apple, a disgrace for Germany!
    He deserved his sentence!!
    Thank you, Bluecher, for helping me to find out some truth that not all SS men were decent and honorable like Leon Degrelle.



     

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