Automakers rise on report of China moving to cut U.S. car tariffs

Not if globalists are running things

They put America into a downward spiral toward the bottom

 

Coal was on its way out long before Obama. Necessary clean air regulations
did the rest. Most countries are moving away from coal as an energy source
due to its polluting properties.

 

Why was coal on its way out?

And if it was going to die anyway why did obama make a special effort to kill it?

 

Coal was polluting our atmosphere big time and needed to be cut back as an energy source. Obama just gave it a goosing as he and other presidents did with many of our environmental pollutants.

 

Again, you have no clue. Where did I mention $20,000? Auto manufacturers have been paying these ridiculous salaries for decades,
and they are financially worn out.
Globalists do not support open borders. That is a figment of your imagination
again.

 

"fake" info, bro.

 

And no one, American, Japanese, or European brands, currently has plans for importing cars from China. Ford canceled plans for importing the Focus Active (which they make in China, and sell else where in the world, including Australia), GM's one and only import from China, the Buick Envision, has seen falling sales, and Fiat Chrysler has nothing in the pipeline to import from China.

If and when Chinese made cars and SUV's show up in large numbers, it will be Chinese brands on them.

 

Coal will NEVER make a comeback, and even coal industry executives have said this. Coal fueled power plants cost way more to build, operate, and maintain, than either natural gas or renewable energy power plants, to the point that even if coal was given away for free, as a fuel, and if all pollution controls were never installed, it would still cost more to build, operate and maintain. That, and only that, are the reasons that a lot of utilities, including both major electrical producers, in my home state of Michigan, made the decision, under a Republican governor and Republican legislature, to ditch coal in favor of natural gas.

 

then just don't do business there, no one force a gun to their CEO head and order them, they did it cause the market access.

 

So, who would do the jobs people would leave for those cushy factory jobs?

If manufacturing returns, the work will be done by robots.

 

It was done in the name of free markets, capitalism, pro-business.

But then again, you probably knew that.

 

I have a clue

If $100,000 is too much to pay a highschool dropout the make cars how much are you willing to pay?

You should be aware that liberals are screaming like hell about companies like Walmart who they claim does not pay a living wage and have to be supplimented by the government

Now you want to add the auto companies and their workers to the welfare bag?

 

I think there will be a slower transition to robots than liberals are hoping for

But when all the factories are in china and under the control of the chinese dictatotors the robots will be there too

 

The market is never totally free

Government made the decidion to allow cheap imports from china

And government made the decision to kill coal

 

That's a valid point, but I'd like to point out that many arm-chair-conservatives think blue collar auto industry jobs are no more difficult than "flipping burgers at McDonald's", and promote a very dim view of blue collar workers. So both sides have a crappy attitude toward middle and lower class working people.

 

I wish it were that simple

Because of 30 years of stupidity in washington we are walking a tightrope now

 

The use of robotics is already increasing in China, because as the world wide demand for cheaply priced Chinese goods went up, and factories in China started running at capacity, Chinese manufacturing companies started running into two problems. One, was a general shortage of workers willing to work in manufacturing environments, and two, the demand for higher pay started kicking in. The solution in China is the same as the rest of the world when faced with either one of those two problems, let alone both - use more robots.

 

And for the record, it's not just liberals that may want to see an increase in the use of robotics, it's conservatives as well, even more so. I can't tell how many times, as an industrial sales rep of more than 30 years, I've been in factories, small to large, where some right wing gas bag points to a robot and touts the advantage of no break time, no lunch time, no paying benefits, no workers comp, no vacations, etc.

And like I said in a previous post, Chinese manufacturers are drastically increasing their use of robots, too.

 

What? Apparently, they are headed for the welfare bag as we speak. I do not work for GM and do not have a handle on their economics, so I can't sound- bite a number for you. Again, high labor and benefit costs, high cost of raw materials made here, high tariffs are driving manufacturing out. European countries have universal health care, which also is a great draw. It is not about me. It is about them and you know nothing about them so you are in no position to make a judgment about their payroll. Are they to stay here until they go bankrupt and put everyone in the welfare bag?

 

Coal was killing itself and the miners, in case you haven't noticed. Companies were converting to clean energy years ago.
Capitalism allowed China in, just as it allowed Japan in. You sound like an unfettered liberal.

 

Is that what you think I think about American workers?

 

Obama boasted he was going to kill coal

 

So why do liberal globalists prefer to have the robots in china instead of America?

 

Same question to you

Why not demand those robots be in America instead of china?

 

Well, I do have family working at GM, in engineering and manufacturing. Labor costs in the USA are slightly higher than the transplants, higher than Mexico, but a hell of a lot lower than Canada (which has universal health care). In Europe, Universal Health Care has been a benefit, but as in Canada, other labor costs have risen to the point that that has offset much of the cost savings. The biggest issue, in automobile manufacturing, at the end of the day, is not labor costs. Labor costs, as a percentage of making a car or truck, is actually relatively low. On a $25,000 car, labor costs of assembling it are, at the most, $1600 to $2500. Add the labor costs of making and transporting the parts, and maybe, maybe, you add another two grand ($2000). And that's tops.

The biggest costs, even if you dumped all the safety and emissions regulations, is still designing and engineering a car, and the cost of tooling up. All of this to meet consumers expectations, needs, wants and desires. On average, it takes three years just to pay off the tooling. By that time, if you're not already retooling part of the exterior of the car, for a mid life cycle face-lift or refresh, you're in deep sh*t. On average, including the Asian and European vendors, the life-cycle of a vehicle is six to seven years before either a major refresh, with a new exterior and new interior on a re-engineered version of the existing chassis or an all new vehiclel from the ground up.

That's where the reality is on making cars and trucks, and that's why there's more profit in making SUV's, CUV's and pick-ups - those sell for more money.