Pro-choice stands on the principle that the woman has the autonomous right to choose whether to continue or end her pregnancy. For woman to be the only one who can make the right decision for herself, is, the essence of pro-choice. http://www.catholicsforchoice.org/topics/abortion/LondonDeclaration.asp That this above declaration obviously plays loosely with the word, "JUST," is conveniently ignore, or it never even occurred to them that what they propose, renders that word, "JUST," meaningless. That it's spearheaded by a group that identifies itself with Christianity drives the point home even deeper. How absurd....since the principle of pro-choice flies against the teachings of Christ: our bodies don't belong to us. We are bought, and paid for by the blood of Christ. Our bodies are the temple of God. Then comes other issues that really showcase the self-negating principle of pro-choice, like this one: http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/sex-based-abortion-divides-pro-choicers-on-rights AS we can see.....Pro-choice supporters keep tripping over themselves, that if we step back and watch them, you'd be amazed how they tie themselves into knots, and negate their own principle.....and you wonder how something so irrational could've influenced millions to support it. Pro-lifers understand the dysfunctional minds behind pro-choice. But what is jaw-dropping is the obvious evidence that so many fail to see all the contradictions and the irrationality that drives it.
"As "we" can see" you're for sex based abortions Too funny, you really had to do some searching to get "something" from 3 people to prove a point you never had ... Where did Pro-Choicers keep tripping over themselves in here ? OK, tell me what contradictions and irrationality I have in my stance: I support women's right to choose abortion or child birth.
I'd given you two examples. Read them. I don't know much about your stance on abortion....all I have are your various responses to my posts. Some of your posts show you're too emotional about this (if I've not mistaken you for someone else). Some posts ended up with the poster ranting (I don't know if it's you or someone else)....that I just stopped reading. Anyway, I'm showing the "collective" dysfunctional minds that prop pro-choice. I think I'm just scratching at the surface here.....let's get in deeper.
Yes, do keep warning me about being emotional and no one will notice your wild emotional rantings in this forum. See, here's your problem, not wanting to see facts. You said "" I don't know much about your stance on abortion" even though we've been discussing it and the post of mine you quoted stated : """OK, tell me what contradictions and irrationality I have in my stance: I support women's right to choose abortion or child birth.""" There is was but all you can do is drool, ""I don't know much about your stance on abortion"""
Ironic since the OP exposed her own dysfunctional theist mindset. How did she do that? She inanely conflated JUSTICE with her BELIEFS! They are two entirely SEPARATE and DISTINCT entities and the Constitution was amended to ENSURE that they ALWAYS remain SEPARATE. It is the dysfunctional mindset of theists that want to DEPRIVE women of their Constitutional RIGHTS by engaging in EMOTIVE and DISINGENUOUS attacks on Americans who UPHOLD the rights of women by fallaciously accusing them of having "dysfunctional minds". It is the DUTY of every American to uphold the rights of others. If theists like the OP cannot resolve the cognitive dissonance between their beliefs and their duty as Americans then that is their problem.
Yup, sure sucks when people START making bans on abortion.......no worry about a certain sex being aborted if there hadn't been restrictive laws in the first place... ....and that religious crap? well, crap.
Read the statement again! You're wrong - they're not two separate entities! Of course, belief would be invoked. Look at the name of the group! The principles comes from a group that identifies itself as CHRISTIAN ! Duh? Furthermore, every Christian has the DUTY to protect and to try to rescue. There is no deprivation happening to women! They have the choice what to do with their bodies BEFORE they create another human being! The only deprivation happening ....is the deprivation of the rights of the unborn. Exactly! It's the DUTY of every Americans to uphold the rights of others. Why do you think we're fighting for the unborn?
Your "belief" should guide your own life decisions, but not necessarily those of others since they may have very different "beliefs." And we are all allowed to have different "beliefs" however bizarre they may be, and to be guided in our life decisions by those beliefs. Many Christians and Christian groups support reproductive choice. Please see: http://rcrc.org/homepage/about/ For over 40 years, RCRC has been a voice for reproductive choice, and has been active in working with women and men especially those at the margins at the intersection of faith, policy and our reproductive lives. Supportive clergy have been giving sermons about the moral agency of women to make decisions about their lives for decades, as well as praying quietly with women when actually making those decisions. We have stood arm-in-arm with proponents of comprehensive sexuality education, worked for a version of the Affordable Care Act that included contraception with no co-pays, and were instrumental in bringing faithful voices of those at the pulpit, in pews and in communities across the country to issues such as the Violence Against Women Act, the approval of Plan B pills and telemedicine for abortions, and for the ability of servicewomen to access abortion care while serving our country. We believe in faith expressed in action. Women also have a choice what to do with their bodies should their bodies become pregnant. FYI, "a human being" is in the process of being created during gestation, creation is not an instantaneous event.
"God hates abortion"? Sorry.....no. In fact, in the Bible?....God ORDERS the killing of actual children and actual babies. 1 Samuel 15:3
And there are those Christians too, that don't accept Jesus Christ....or don't believe in God. https://news.vice.com/article/this-...esnt-believe-in-god-and-shes-not-the-only-one There, see? Like I've said..... .....dysfunctional minds prop pro-choice. That's what we're trying to repeal. Women shouldn't be given a special license to kill her unborn. Unless she's a moron, she knows the possible consequences of copulation........and the grave complications of an unwanted pregnancy/motherhood. Whatever choice she's had should have been exercised BEFORE she created another human being.
Why are the home schooled always so woefully ignorant of the separation of church and state as one of the core principles that this nation was founded upon? The Catholic Church was an ABYSMAL record when it comes to the sanctity of life. When HIV was killing heterosexual adults in Africa (25 million died between 1982 and 2000) the RCC was still insisting on banning condoms right up until 2010! So there is no "moral high ground" when it comes to religion and the "sanctity of life". Only a dysfunctional mindset fails to comprehend that a fetus has no rights ergo it cannot be deprived of something it never had. You are fighting to TAKE AWAY rights from your fellow Americans which is akin to enslaving them. That will never happen because the majority of Americans are women and they are NEVER going to give up their right to privacy in order to allow theists like you to turn this nation into a regressive theocracy.
You're not fighting for the unborn....you're fighting to control women. Unless you are a "win hearts and minds, but don't make it illegal" "pro-lifer" that is.
I was not home-schooled. Since you harp about schooling, your attempt at rebuttal is so juvenile that I begin to wonder if you've ever set foot in university? Have you finished High School? No offense. Review your posts/responses to me at the other thread, too. You tell me.
Women are NOT given special license to kill their fetus....where did you get that absurd idea?? Good to see you admit to the "grave complications of an unwanted pregnancy and motherhood" that you want to FORCE onto women. "Should haves" have not stopped unwanted pregnancies, never have , never will....MEN should stop having sex and risking unwanted pregnancies but they just don't seem to want to stop.... Before you risked driving in a car you should have stopped. But you didn't and you had an accident and now you don't get medical treatment because you took the risk of driving a car . How irresponsible !
So you have absolutely no excuse whatsoever for your un-american imposition of your personal religious beliefs on women? And I am not in the least bit surprised that you completely and utterly FAILED to address the FACTS provided in my post. Because it is patently obvious from your inane posts that you lack both the basic education and the integrity to admit that you are trying to subvert this nation into a regressive theocracy.
"""""" this-c...t-the-only-one """ That is from YOUR link....does the c...t stand for what I think it does? How crude and ignorant...and misogynistic....
BTW, let's go back to the Subject Line and OP.... and the obvious SELF-RIGHTEOUS and insulting attempt to say that people who are pro-choice are "dumb" or "crazy"? Again, from somebody who CLAIMS to be a "Christian"....but I'll guarantee you can't quote a requested line of Scripture if I ask him to. - - - Updated - - - The Local Pregnancy Council ....run by rightwing fundamentalist Christian men....naturally. Duh!
The only dysfunctional minds I have ever seen here belong to pro-lifers especially those that attempt to invoke "God".
Never have I read a single response from the pro-choice that puts the burden of responsibility squarely on the woman's shoulders, and yet it's supposed to be her body and her choice! How dysfunctional is that? All you read are various reasons that try to exonerate the woman, and justify the murder! In my debate/discussion with pro-choicers.....never have I seen a single response that conveys any sympathy for the infant! If you're going to promote the murder of another human, at least have the decency to castigate irresponsible women for the life that they've created. Whatever reasons may be behind the pregnancy - it's the innocent who's going to pay the heavy price!
There is no flame-baiting.......perhaps you want to use that to censor me? Pro-lifers consider abortion as murder, because we see the unborn as a human being. The unborn is a human being, whether you guys want to accept it or not! An offspring of humans can only be nothing but humans! Logically-speaking, anyone who promotes abortion....promotes the murder of another human.
