[b]Dysfunctional Minds Prop Pro-Choice[/b]

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Tosca1, Apr 14, 2016.

  1. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    You: ""The choice for the woman begins waaaay before getting pregnant!"""

    There's then and then there's anytime she damn well feels like making a choice......Hurts, doesn't it....women having that POWER!! :)
     
  2. BrunoTibet

    BrunoTibet Banned

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    I can keep up, thanks.

    You made a claim about semantics, you have failed, utterly, to back it up.

    Sorry you're blind to simple facts
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Thank you for disqualifying yourself from any further meaningful participation on this topic.

    It is readily apparent that reading comprehension is something that is lacking amongst home schooled theists.

    Have a nice day.
     
  4. JoakimFlorence

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    I'm going to repeat an argument I posted in the "Is it really so bad if a man slips a woman an abortion pill?" thread:

    The pro-choice logic is completely absurd and inconsistent here.
    You can't say that it's a baby if the woman wants it, and a meaningless clump of cells if she doesn't want it.
    Either abortion is a horrible thing or it isn't. Everyone knows abortion is horrible if that's what the woman didn't want. So why is it such a jump to say abortion may not be such a good thing? It's still the same fetus, the woman just feels differently about it.

    Pro-choicers have tried to jump around the issue, but the fact is that we ALL know that forced abortion isn't just a matter of the woman's body having been violated. No, it's much worse than that. Pro-choicers know this (though many of them may be reluctant to say it). Some try to assert that the fetus is the woman's property, but then we run into the murky issue of father's rights. I believe most pro-choicers believe that the fetus's life has value; they just believe that the woman's right not to be pregnant if she doesn't want to overrides the fetus's worth.

    Well, if we are to follow this type of reasoning to it's logical conclusion, that would mean that a forced abortion could be no worse than a woman who was forced to remain pregnant. Right? But this type of conclusion just does not make intuitive sense. We all know that forced abortion is worse than forcing a woman to remain pregnant.

    So our moral intuitive sense is indicative that the pro-choice logic behind this may have some flaws behind it. Honestly, just give this some thought. Tell me where I went wrong in my reasoning.


    It's another example of how the reasoning behind the pro-choice argument is not consistent.
     
  5. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    :roflol: You didn't read all the posts in that thread trashing your ideas......
     
  6. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, it doesn't matter which side you're on. Your stance on this issue is irrelevant unless you are pregnant. You can fight all you want and may even succeed in making abortion illegal, but you will never, ever, prevent abortion. You can drive it underground like narcotics and prostitution. You can throw women in prison. You can enjoy the warm feeling for forcing what you consider to be for the good of humanity into others, but at the end of each day..

    you have done nothing.

    Are drug users having any trouble getting drugs?
    Are criminals having any trouble getting guns?
    What makes you think that those who want abortions will have any trouble getting one?

    "But if we can save just one baby, it's worth it" THEN WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR? ADOPT!

    Its easy to tell others what they should do as long as you only have to talk. Either step up and offer your home to these children or stop pretending to care about them.
     
  7. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I always find it rather disgusting that most of the people wanting to "Save" babies stop fighting for them the moment they actually become babies.

    Pro-Life for 9 months....then moms a freeloader and the kid is a burden.
     
  8. JoakimFlorence

    JoakimFlorence Banned

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    The right not to be murdered by someone else is more sacrosanct than the right to a loving mommy and daddy (which every child should have, by the way, but unfortunately that's not the case).

    The Pro-Life position isn't merely just "pro-life", rather it is against the intentional taking of innocent human life.

    I might not give you the $1000 you need for that life saving medical operation, but that's not the same thing as sneaking into the hospital and holding a pillow over your face while you sleep.

    Murder and Abortion (which is a lesser form of murder; that's just what it is) are wrong. It's not merely just all about whether you live or die; someone has done something terribly unfair and wrong to someone else.
     
  9. FoxHastings

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    :roflol: A "lesser form of murder" LOL! Ya, the weasel argument....

    The only thing someone has done to SOMEONE else would be A-hats taking away women's rights to their own bodies..that would be terribly unfair and wrong.....

    There is NO "innocent". there is no other "someone"...there's just a fetus...
     
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    So...it seems you are willing to make your own "opinion" more important than the personal freedoms of someone you will never know based on your own beliefs. This makes you a narcissist in my mind and a very nasty person. When we consider that the fetus in question has less ability to function than your dog, or the chicken you had for dinner....I would consider it human only in a genetic sense. Biologically this is not a good argument...you have only your own opinion and cultural upbringing to use when deciding another person should do as you say. They have their life, freedom, rights, and the law to back up theirs....thus has this pathetic game played out for 50 years.
     
  11. Doofenshmirtz

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    True. Having to step up and actually do something other than talk is a game changer.

    So, ... how many have you adopted?

    Maybe its time to point that righteous finger of yours towards the man in the mirror!
     
  12. Fugazi

    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    I said source, not just another lifenews propaganda page.

    - - - Updated - - -

    you not having the intelligence to understand an argument doesn't make it wrong .. but please do carry on running away and posting crap, it only serves to display the complete ignorance of some pro-lifers.
     
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    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    The right to decide who, what, when and where your body is used by another over rides the so called right to life ... every time.

    I'd suggest researching your own laws and constitution but I know it would be wasting my breath.
     
  14. Tosca1

    Tosca1 Well-Known Member

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    If you're a tax-paying citizen, you're helping others raise their children.




    So many have also been adopted.

    Here's one:

    [video=youtube;kPF1FhCMPuQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPF1FhCMPuQ[/video]
     
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    I love how the OP's attempt to "bold" the Subject Line failed.....


    much as how the "pro-lifers" have FAILED....for FORTY-THREE YEARS....to overturn Roe.
    :)
     
  16. FoxHastings

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    Did you think if you waited until now to post again all those posts showing how wrong you are would just disappear ???:)
     
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    That ***** is a big fat liar.
     
  18. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    No doubt.....but what's funny is even if she's telling the truth it has no bearing on abortion......( the OP doesn't know that )
     
  19. Doofenshmirtz

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    I don't mind my tax money being used to help raise kids. The problem with the "I pay taxes and have therefor contributed." mentality, is that these kids in the system face challenges that stay with them for life. You may have had at least one loving parent who made sure you knew you were the most important thing in the world to them. They seldom find a permanent, loving home and those claiming to care about them while they were developing in the womb, refuse to take part in the development that follows.

    If you believe abortion is murder, but refuse to take on the responsibility of raising these precious humans, you are an accomplice.
     
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    I am a foster mom. All our babies get adopted. The younger they are, the sooner. There is a demand for them.
    And it's not like they give the kids out just to anybody to adopt. Adoptive parents are screened well.

    If you are paying taxes, you are helping raise everybody's children in the form of child benefits, etc.,

    A lot of children who grew up in foster care had done well in life.
    So, you're saying it's better off killing all unwanted unborn, because some would be challenging anyway?

    How many normal parents end up raising problem kids? Ended up like the Columbine massacre killer?
    Were they in foster homes?

    If that's how you look at things, then you must agree with people who care for quadraplegics, or any relatives with disabilities to have the option of having them murdered as well....since that's quite a challenge for both - the disabled and the caregiver! If a child at 3 years old should become disabled, she'll be challenging as well.
    Where do you draw the line?



    A lot of abortions are repeat-abortions. It's not like as if we have no various types of contraceptives available now, so there's no excuse for having repeat-pregnancy that you don't want. Speaking of responsibility - take responsibility!

    If these women can't take responsibility, and it's costing unnecessary murders, and expenses - then perhaps, instead of rooting for child-murder, you guys should say they ought to be sterilized!
     
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    There are a lot of women who went on to deliver their children (to give up for adoption), who'd ended up changing their minds after the delivery, and had instead decided to raise their own children.

    We also hear of surrogate mothers who'd changed their minds after delivery, and had instead decided to keep their babies.

    Something happens to moms at delivery, I suppose. Something we don't fully understand.



    My point, a lot of these women who find themselves with unwanted pregnancy are mostly young, and confused, scared and distraught.

    What they need is counselling, to have them know that pregnancy is not the end of the world for them.
    That there is a better alternative than abortion.
     
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    For some women, there is no better alternative than abortion. Mind your own uterus and it's contents and let others mind theirs.
     
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    Why repeat something that was blown apart the first time round
     

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