Babies and unborn in the afterlife....

Several near death experiencers were shown their miscarried or aborted children in higher invisible dimensions of space and time.

What they reported about the blissful state that those children are in may be quite encouraging to some women and even to the father's as well when they later on perhaps come to regret not supporting the mother when she really needed his help.

There is some very interesting information on this topic beginning in Chapter 11 of this book which is at the 2:55:59 minute mark of this text youtube video.

 

Near death experiencer the late Ms. Ariela Solsol Periera met her aborted children during her near death experience. One of the major points that was made to her was that CONDEMNATION..... was NOT the point of her being shown her children.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/20509374-divine-truths-revealed
DIVINE TRUTHS REVEALED
by Ariela Solsol (Goodreads Author)

 

Aborted children are NOT out for vengeance against their mother or father.......

All of us are facing choices in life.... and we all make choices that are far below the ideal.

https://www.near-death.com/experiences/exceptional/howard-storm.html#a06

 

Personally... I am convinced that our Creator is working out a plan for Eventual Universal Salvation:

https://www.near-death.com/experiences/exceptional/christian-andreason.html#a04h

But... the idea of everybody eventually being led back to salvation does not rule out the possibility of us humans getting our soul - spirit into a state of Guilt, Shame or Despair for a long period of time......

https://www.near-death.com/experiences/exceptional/christian-andreason.html#a14

Frankly there is evidence that even angels fell out of the mind set of heaven .... and got themselves into an attitude of rebellion........ unthankfulness....... anger..... revenge......


https://www.near-death.com/science/articles/richard-eby-and-secomd-coming-of-christ.html#a03

 

All of this seems to fit quite well with how little Colton Burpo told his mom and dad that they had a daughter in heaven. They did not know whether or not their miscarried child was a girl or a boy until Colton told them.




Most of us here on this forum seem to be pretty skeptical of all this:

Friends of yours watch Heaven Is For Real and ask you about it?


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Care to tell us how you define ideal choices in life? How about a list of criteria for ideal choices. Or you can just tell us how you would act in each of the following moral dilemmas:

http://listverse.com/2007/10/21/top-10-moral-dilemmas/

 

Former believer here, now atheist. It's interesting that the person having a near death experience has a vision that fits his belief system, and not one that is universal across religions. For example, why don't Hindus have a vision of Christ?

https://www.near-death.com/religion/hinduism.html

 

Yes well you can like it all you want but how about since you appear to be appointing yourself as the arbitrator of ideal decisions why not tell us oh great and mighty judge just how you would decide on the dilemmas posted.

 

That is a good point........

https://www.near-death.com/religion/hinduism.html

Here is a near death experiencer hearing Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus speaking to some of his disciples during his ministry in the Roman province of Judaea after having travelled all the way to India, Tibet, Nepal..... and then back to his homeland.


http://www.thomastwin.com/7 A Thomas samples.html
Bruce F. MacDonald Ph. D:

 

Why don't Hindus have a vision of Krishna, Shiva, or Hanuman?

 

At this moment I can't remember who it was who stated this but there are a significant percentage of Muslims near death expereincers who report meeting Rabbi Issa - Jesus - Jesus...... and NOT the Prophet Muhammad! Many Muslims also have similar experiencers to an NDE and meet Messiah Issa - Jesus - Yeshua.

Many Hindus report meeting somebody who appears Middle Eastern to them..... and it is interesting how many traditions exist about both Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus as well as his twin brother Judas Didymus Thomas travelling to India. Thomas was martyred there.

Did Rabbi Jesus/Yeshua learn about healing in India before teaching in Judaea?



http://reluctant-messenger.com/aquarian_gospel_022_028.htm
CHAPTER 23

 

This is interesting and inspiring for us to do more.

The Cry of the Aborted Children

 

These backgrounds are like props that I assume are meant to lend credibility to the prose. It failed. They are extremely cheesy and gimmicky. God isn't human and he isn't a man.

 

But..... she was told by Messiah Yeshua - Jesus that Satan was "cruel" which was
about as close to a "railing accusation" as Messiah Yeshua - Jesus is know to go with just about anybody.........(The major reason why I copied and pasted the images is because I didn't want to type them out)!


Jude 1:9 "Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee."

or.....

https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/2pe/2/11/s_1158011

(For the record..... getting stuck in an experiment somewhat like the Milgram for millennia........... or perhaps far, far, far, far, far ,far longer than that assuming Multiverse Theory........ could get to almost anybody eventually and cause them to become somewhat "cruel?")

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

 

They have visions of their own God.

Did you ever think that maybe all of these gods are actually the same one simply appealing to different cultures in a form and a history they can more easily accept?

It may not be what name you call him by, or what religious practices you do to worship Him, what matters is that you do and show your faith.

Since every single society on Earth has had some sort of version of God do you think that He might possibly have done this?

When you analyze all the different major religions they all have strikingly similar details about them.

There is always a creator, an afterlife, an up and down or Heaven and Hell, a source of evil, and rules you have to follow.

There are many more which you learn about in comparative religion classes and its really just the details that are different.

Some religions are just way off the cuff, like scientology but most follow the same pattern.

 

To the OP......what Hell actually is, we don't know.

Revelations is a jumbled mess that nobody can interpret probably put in the Bible because God needed to conclude the story and not leave it hanging.

Similar to Genesis....they are both very vague and probably for a purpose, because God doesn't intend for us to know the details yet.

Many people I know think that Hell is just a separation from God.....the more faithful you were in life the closer you are to Him in death and the greater your rewards will be.

But this separation will hurt, especially when you see the faithful and what they get, it will hurt so much it will feel like being tortured every day for eternity.

The faithful will live a life of bliss, never needing to worry about anything yet the unfaithful may have to wake up everyday and go to work.

Nobody can contemplate what God's actual plan is but He has told us what to do to avoid something that we will strongly dislike.

 

I rather like this description of hell from back in 1943:

https://www.near-death.com/experiences/exceptional/george-ritchie.html#a05c

but this later description may be even more accurate:

https://www.near-death.com/experiences/gay/christian-andreason.html#a14

 

Yeah I'm just not sure I buy into this endless physical torture thing.

I don't know of course, no way I could, but knowing God personally as I do I can see his anger but I never see Him being vengeful.

That is only for me, nobody here would understand it so don't bother asking.

I believe that Hell is real and that it is something nobody is going to be OK with, but I just don't know what Hell will actually be like.

I think your comment about even aborted children going to Heaven is true. Once that life is created its God's.

All I know is this...I can't wait to find out what happens.

On a side note, off topic, I have had a couple of conversations with members here who have asked me about my faith and they are always amazed when I tell them I have no fears about anything.

I actually don't worry about anything because I know that it is in Gods hands.

If He wants to take me tomorrow then ABSOLUTELY! let's do it.

I have been ready for awhile.

But I really don't like mice or rats....I mean I really don't.

Scared of them would be an understatement.

Pure terror would be an understatement.

But everything else I have no problem with.

 

As a former believer, I say, nonsense. Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life, no man cometh unto the Father but by me." Paul said, "There is no other name given under Heaven by which we must be saved." If you are a Christian, you must accept that everyone else is going to Hell for rejecting Christ.

As an atheist, I say, nonsense. Gods are a primitive superstition created by primitive peoples to explain phenomena they did not understand. God and religion are today comforts for those who can't handle the facts of life, that we are a) alone and b) going to die, and that life isn't fair and isn't going to get any better. I myself wish those things were not so, but that's what I'm forced to conclude.

As a conservative, I say, nonsense. Every religion is fundamentally different in its outlook on life and thereby creates a fundamentally different group of people. Even Protestants are fundamentally different in outlook than Catholics, and they are as close to the same religion as you can get. Islam is so far different as to turn the common sense facts of life on their head. Should you mate with children? Islam says that's okay. Should you mate with your sibling or your sibling's child? Islam says that's okay. Should you kill everyone who doesn't agree with your religion? Islam says yes, you should. Should you beat your wife and kill your daughter when they disrespect you? Islam says yes, you should. Should you kill anyone who leaves the religion? Islam says yes, you should. Should you lie and break promises to get what you want? Islam says yes, you should. Hinduism has thousands of gods, Buddhism has none. These result in very different views on life.

I will reiterate here that despite my own atheism, I still support Christianity as being good for society. It is clear from the examples of history that people need both internal and external controls on their behavior, that just because something is against the law doesn't mean people won't do it, and just because someone has a conscience doesn't mean he won't do something unethical or immoral, he'll just feel bad about it. Christianity acts as a very effective form of internal control, that if you teach kids that God is real and watching them and will judge them on their life, they will behave more morally than if you don't. Train up a child in the way that he should go and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

 

They are different cultures with different histories in different situations.

The Christian God will not apply to most of them....it has a different history for a different people.

It doesn't embrace their culture.

Obviously they are going to make their own and why wouldn't God take advantage of knowing this to present Himself in a way they can believe?

If He wants to take the most with Him this makes perfect sense.

You are basing your argument, with your quotes, on the Christian God. You can't use that as a reference for this debate.

Gods in other societies have similar sayings you know...and isn't that ironic and similar.

 

To suggest otherwise is to make Jesus a liar, and if Jesus is a liar, he is not God and cannot save you.

 

NDEs occur after you've already experienced the pain or discomfort of dying. The spirit guides who meet you after your soul leaves your body are both aware & sympathetic of the stresses you've just been thru & don't want to cause more discomfort for you. They won't always do or show things to you that fit your exact belief system, but they try to avoid taking you too fast into spiritual truths that might conflict with your beliefs & cause you more stress. Since ALL religions are a distorted & incomplete view of both the spirit world & the relationship between that world & our physical one, those on the other side don't really care what religious beliefs you have. All of us--regardless of our religious views--will have to make adjustments to the spirit world truths as we discover them, & at our own pace.

 

A comforting thought, but it doesn't cover all the near death experiences people have gone through.

https://www.therichest.com/shocking/15-tales-of-hell-by-survivors-of-near-death-experiences/