Sounds like somebody is trying to change the topic. And no, that is not true. We have explained that to you in other threads. Not going to waste the time reexplaining it to you in every new thread you randomly bring it up in.
Babies aren't on welfare and adults should take care of themselves more often than they do. Give a man a fish and feed him a day; teach a man to fish and feed him for life. We need good paying jobs, not welfare.
FoxHastings said: ↑ Yup, baby lives matter so don't try to cut funding to Welfare and DO adopt as many unwanted kids as you can. BTW, women's lives, and rights, matter, too. Babies whose parents are on Welfare are on Welfare. Welfare pays for babies.
Don't Democrats tell us if we pay for someone else's free college tuition it will end up paying for itself in the economy? And that letting in more low-skill immigrants will "grow" the economy? Well then, why the silence on saving the lives of babies? If I didn't know better, I would say there's a glaring double standard here.
What message? Everyone agrees that baby lives matter (except perhaps those who don't want robust welfare for babies). They disagree about at what point the fetus becomes a baby. But addressing the real point of disagreement is difficult to address because the answer isn't obvious.
I prefer assistance programs like paid childcare and food programs that directly help the children or working parents, rather than enabling adults to leech of society by over endorsing general welfare programs.
The earth has been naturally changing for millions of years before we came along with warming and cooling periods. We can't stop the natural process of our planet. We can try to keep our planet cleaner and healthy but not at the expense of jobs and economy. I know that's off topic so I will add this. Babies can have dreams and feel pain before they are born. They develop a heart beat, limbs and breath oxygen just like we do. Why take that life away? If women don't want kids they need to have safe sex more often.
Not really, the education stance is completely evidenced by progress in other nations and immigrants do the work that many Americans will not do. Sure there are issues with them such as fraud but that should be addressed and prevented. Abortion however, most people do not support it because it kills a child — they support it because they cannot fathom telling a woman she must carry an unwanted child to term sacrificing her health and career under penalty of law. Even pro-lifers agree a fetus isn’t a baby with the full rights as a person as they do not support starting child support payments the moment a pregnancy is confirmed and they do not support the death penalty for women that induce a miscarriage or get an abortion. If a fetus is a full person then they have the ultimate right to life. Do you believe we should force a 13 year old girl to have the child of the man who abducted and raped her? Yes, it is an extreme example but that extreme examples show there are lines that the pro-life crowd are unwilling to step across. Is that fetus less a person than the 17 year old that got drunk and forgot protection or the 35 year old that the condom broke and cannot afford another child? Pro-choicers also have those lines, it is just statistically around the second trimester. Very few people cheer abortion but they understand it’s unfortunate need. Also, why are the people most against abortion also most against sex education and preventative healthcare? Seems strange if the goal is the life of a “child”, yes?
FoxHastings said: ↑ Babies whose parents are on Welfare are on Welfare. Welfare pays for babies. WHAT TF are you going on about???? I stated a FACT ""Babies whose parents are on Welfare are on Welfare. Welfare pays for babies."" ...and you go off on a tangent about immigrants and college tuition and the "silence on saving the lives of babies "... ??? WTF! Please, if you have nothing, post nothing...
FoxHastings said: ↑ Yup, baby lives matter so don't try to cut funding to Welfare and DO adopt as many unwanted kids as you can. BTW, women's lives, and rights, matter, too. Babies whose parents are on Welfare are on Welfare. Welfare pays for babies. What you prefer isn't what is. Babies ARE on Welfare. And babies need things besides childcare and food....they need parents and a home and clothes and diapers and education...
Education is free until you are out of high school unless you go to private school. I suggest supporting your local diapers banks.
FoxHastings said: ↑ Yup, baby lives matter so don't try to cut funding to Welfare and DO adopt as many unwanted kids as you can. BTW, women's lives, and rights, matter, too. Babies whose parents are on Welfare are on Welfare. Welfare pays for babies. What you prefer isn't what is. Babies ARE on Welfare. And babies need things besides childcare and food....they need parents and a home and clothes and diapers and education... Not all educational materials are free...the kids still need school supplies, coats, clothes , tansportation, money for extracurricular events , etc. KIDS are not without expenses....Welfare supports CHILDREN.
Many churches in Iowa and other places offer free school supplies. I'm sure it's like that around the country. Welfare is not free. It is payed for with our taxes.
FoxHastings said: ↑ Yup, baby lives matter so don't try to cut funding to Welfare and DO adopt as many unwanted kids as you can. BTW, women's lives, and rights, matter, too. Babies whose parents are on Welfare are on Welfare. Welfare pays for babies. What you prefer isn't what is. Babies ARE on Welfare. And babies need things besides childcare and food....they need parents and a home and clothes and diapers and education... Not all educational materials are free...the kids still need school supplies, coats, clothes , transportation, money for extracurricular events , etc. KIDS are not without expenses....Welfare supports CHILDREN. NO, it isn't...churches do NOT supply every child with their needs. Uh, ya think !! Yup . just what taxes should be used for, the care of Americans....do you object ??
No, they get oxygen from their mother's system. And yes, they DEVELOP in the woman's womb...the WOMAN'S womb....not your womb or anyone else's. I don't know, why ARE there miscarriages? Women can, like anyone else, have sex how and when they CHOOSE. If women don't want kids, they can have an abortion.
Wow, great argument for late-term abortion! Now who else are you going to start applying that argument to? That selfish parasite, stealing the woman's oxygen! SHE was the one who had to breathe that air!
Some forms of sex are pretty much ASKING for a pregnancy, in my opinion. When you have lots of sex, and play fast and loose about contraceptives, it's pretty much a guaranteed fact you ARE going to get pregnant at some point.
Why are there accidents? Does that mean we should legalize killing people? Your argument mostly seems like a non-sequitur here.
Um, no, there are other reasons pregnant women don't get child support payments. Pragmatic reasons that do not have to do with whether or not a baby exists. We have discussed this in at least two other threads, so I don't feel like repeating the full rebuttal to that argument.
Feel free to link it then, post number will be fine, can you take out a life insurance on a fetus? I also question while you bothered to respond at all after editing out every question I asked... Telling
Which is why we offer plan B and then abortion. People have sex, just because they do doesn’t mean they should have a lifetime punishment
Yes, there's Plan B, so if the woman does everything right, the chances that she'll actually "need" an abortion a long ways out from the time she got impregnated should be very very small. And that right there is really the true pivot of the pro-choice argument. The real reason behind all the other reasons.
FoxHastings said: ↑ Babies whose parents are on Welfare are on Welfare. Welfare pays for babies. How is that a 'great argument for late term abortions" ??? You think kids should be aborted if they're going to be on Welfare !!! Wow, that's harsh !! Now who else are you going to start applying that argument to? Wow, you don't seem to like fetuses, kids or women....anything you do like ??
