Bachmann or Perry? O_O

Discussion in 'Opinion POLLS' started by xkatz, Aug 18, 2011.

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Which one?

Poll closed Nov 16, 2011.
  1. Michelle Bachmann

    17 vote(s)
    34.7%
  2. Rick Perry

    32 vote(s)
    65.3%
  1. MnBillyBoy

    MnBillyBoy New Member

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    How does Ron Paul get into every thread ?

    Freedom ? Few Americans believe in Freedom ?
    Really?

    Always support a Governor of any race..gender..religion over any hot wind bag from congress.

    Many think Newt Ginrich is winning all these debates..being cool..

    Remember
    Gingrich is the only Speaker of the House to have been disciplined for ethics violations.[61 wiki..
    During his term as Speaker, eighty-four ethics charges were filed against him; eighty-three of them were dropped.[62] The remaining charge concerned a 20-hour college course called "Renewing American Civilization" that Gingrich had taught through a tax-deductible foundation, Kennesaw State College Foundation. Allegations of tax improprieties (which were never proven) led to two counts "of failure to seek legal advice" and one count of "providing the committee with information which he knew or should have known was inaccurate" concerning the use of a tax exempt college course for political purposes. To avoid a full hearing, Gingrich and the House Ethics Subcommittee negotiated a sanctions agreement.

    Six months after the divorce from Battley was final, Gingrich wed Marianne Ginther in 1981.[124][125][126][127] In the mid-1990s, Gingrich began an affair with House of Representatives staffer Callista Bisek, who is 23 years his junior. They continued their affair during the Lewinsky scandal, when Gingrich became a leader of the Republican investigation of President Clinton for perjury and obstruction of justice in connection with his alleged affairs.


    So he may be cool now..but many remember..and its time to start the weeding out process.
     
  2. mertex

    mertex New Member Past Donor

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    If he was a serious contender he wouldn't run under the Republican party.
    First of all, Republicans won't make him their candidate.
    Second, if anyone other than a Republican would vote for him, they won't because under the Republican party he'll just be another Republican.

    But, we appreciate anyone voting for him, even if he doesn't win the nomination.
     
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    mertex New Member Past Donor

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    Gingrich is just a bag full of wind - a windbag. He'll just blow away.
     
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    The point being..do we know anything about Ron Paul that HE ISN'T telling us?
    He like all others from congress usually live in a safe Voting district ..which means he had no majority differing views against him.
    Same with Bachmann..

    I haven't mentioned why Newt might not go after Romney on flips and flops..since Newt changed from a Baptist to a Catholic..and with his record he doesn't want anybody looking backwards.

    I saw Rick and Newt sorta teaming up..
    Perry and Romney along with Cain..
    Bachmann by herself..

    Huntsman is a Mormon in a small populated Mormon run state..and all though a good guy isnt credible enough with running a large state with diversity..it would be like Perry.. a Republican running a Republican held Texas.. with many weird Texas ideas..suddenly in charge of New York..
    Think that vote and appeal will happen ?

    Then there is Paul.
    On another planet..stuck in the 1960's dreaming of the past..throwing rocks at everyone else.
    "It's their fault"..sounds like Obama..kinda strange since he's been there for over 20 years and done nothing to change it...Maybe ..he is part of the problem ? A libertarian Murtha.
    Bringing home the pork..
     
  5. P. Lotor

    P. Lotor Banned Past Donor

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    We have a two party system.

    Who is "we" that appreciates votes for Ron Paul?
     
  6. mertex

    mertex New Member Past Donor

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    I know, and Ron Paul isn't doing well in the ranking.

    All of us that are voting for Obama.
     
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    P. Lotor Banned Past Donor

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    Umm, right... Two parties means he has to come from one of them.

    I didn't know there were any Obama supporters left. Is it lonely?
     
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    There's actual real people going to vote for Obama after all this???? I call shenanigans.....:mrgreen:

    Nobody in their right mind would vote Obama at this point. :-D
     
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    I can't tell if you want to discuss this issue or just argue, but I'm willing to give discussion a try.

    I say that few Americans believe in freedom because the vast majority of Americans either support liberal's/democrat's position of control people's finances or conservative's/republican's position of control people's social lives.

    If you see it differently, let's discuss it.
     
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    How quickly things change!

    With his support for Al Gore, Hillarycare, authoritarian inoculation of prepubescent girls, weak immigration views, (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) bag attitude... he's shown himself unworthy!

    I think I'd rather have Bachman.
     
  11. mertex

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    Yeah, I think you'll be surprised. All that false hope your Tea Partiers are giving you, is just that, false hope.

    The mindless will vote for someone like Perry or Bachmann - leaving plenty of people in their right mind to vote for him and Obama will be re-elected.
     
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    You forgot the "Neither" choice. If I HAD to choose I would go Perry, because Bachmann does nothing but lie and tells us our laws are in "GODS HANDS".
     
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    No, two parties means "two major parties" - you need to get out more.

    Wiki:
    The Libertarian Party is the third largest[1] and fastest growing[2] political party in the United States

    The Green Party of the United States (GPUS) is a voluntary association of state green parties, and has been active as a nationally recognized political party since 2001.

    The American Independent Party is a right-wing political party of the United States that was established in 1967 by Bill and Eileen Shearer.
    In 1969, representatives from 40 states established the American Party as the successor to the American Independent Party. In some places, such as Connecticut, the American Party was officially constituted as the American Conservative Party. In 1976, the American Party split into the more moderate American Party, which included more northern conservatives and Schmitz supporters, and the American Independent Party, which focused on the Deep South. Both of the parties have nominated candidates for the presidency and other offices. Neither the American Party nor the American Independent Party has had much national success.



    You don't seem to know much about your own candidate, why would anyone expect you to know anything about Obama. You should have a clear understanding about loneliness - even though Ron Paul won the CPAC nomination, he ranks low among Republicans.

    Paul has campaigned for President of the United States twice before, first during 1988 as the nominee of the Libertarian Party and again during 2008 as a candidate for the Republican nomination.


    Considering how Ron Paul is doing in the polls, I would be embarrassed to make the remarks you make.

    Back in July of 2011 this is how Paul rated against Obama. Obama 41%, Ron Paul 37%

    Today, 41% still think Obama is doing a good job, while Paul has dropped to 9% among the GOP candidates. Is it lonely?
     
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    I did, and most of the GOP candidates don't have a chance against Obama. Obama is leading Ron Paul.
    So Perry and Romney show a little hope in some of the polls - I think once the lies that Perry has been spreading start crystalizing, he'll be dropping some points. Romney probably won't get nominated as the candidate, because the religious right don't like Mormons.
     
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    thanks champ. there have been two non major party presidents. one was george washington, and the other, andrew johnson, got elected under a major party banner, but then switched in office. it is a two party system. (you need to get out more...)

    you say if ron paul was a serious contender he would run as a third party candidate. that's absurd. no serious candidates run third party.

    I don't recall saying ron paul had a huge following, or anything about ron pauls following. try to stay on topic.

    and?

    which remarks, specifically?

    yea, ron paul is almost within the margin of error with the incumbent saint obama, and ron paul is third or fourth among gop candidates. yea I would say its lonely being an obama supporter.
     
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    If the result of the recent New York election to replace the Wiener Waver is any indication of things to come, which I think it is, Obama is in big trouble. His policies just don't work.

    The fact that Ron Paul, admittedly a libertarian, not a republican or a conservative, poles even close to Obama, does not bode well for democrats. I'd vote for either Clinton over him, and I despise both of them!
     
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    That two parties dominate the elections is a true fact. That we are a two party system is not. Isn't Ron Paul a Libertarian? If you think he is so good why can't he win under his own party?

    The Libertarian Party is the third largest[1] and fastest growing[2] political party in the United States.


    What you are saying is that there are not enough votes for a third party candidate to win, but Ron Paul can't even win the nomination as the candidate for the Republican party, so, it appears it's more absurd that he even tries.

    So, you admit that Ron Paul doesn't have a chance?


    If it is so absurd to run under third party, why did he do so before? Was he not serious then?


    This one:

    Ron Paul has even less supporters, so I guess speaking from that point of reference you must be really lonely, no?

    Don't put your money on Paul. My guess is he isn't going to make it as the GOP candidate, and even if he did, he wouldn't beat Obama. He's probably the least likely (if any of them could) to be able to beat Obama. I admire your resoluteness, but it won't change the outcome.
     
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    It is still a bit early to be making such bold predictions.

    Let's wait till the GOP selects a candidate, and the facts start to come out on him. We'll see how long they can hold their rating. I think most conservatives are going to be devastated.
     
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    Fair enough. Most anything can happen in politics. I do doubt the devastation.
     

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