Barack HUSSEIN Obama is finished

I also have cousins in Scotland that actually do like the system though we could argue about people going to other countries for healthcare all day though if we are going by actual statistics America was rated around 50th for healthcare while the top ten were universal healthcare systems, I'll try to provide a link in a later edit.

So again giving individual examples and immigration shows nothing really compared to quality of care there are plenty of waiting times already it just depends where you live.

Like I've been saying I go by the statistics and most of them show a universal healthcare plan would be cheaper and more cost effective the area we do better in is certain cancers though on many preemptive care healthcare we do worse and because of this we end up paying more.

Edit: I went a bit high on the rankings for the US on the rankings it was actually 37th though it is a bit of an old ranking system because it's based on 2000-2005 and it may be different now but I'll have to wait if I can get a more recent one but here's the link of the actual rankings with sonera added information on other pages.

http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

 

1. allow interstate competition between insurance companies
2. reduce the length of drug patents
3. tort reform to limit payments and make loser pay court costs
4. stop giving free medical care to illegals
5. crack down hard on medical fraud
6. Eliminate unnecessary testing by changing malpractice laws
7.Repeal obamacare
8. put congress on medicare and social security
9. cancel congressional free cadilac medical plans
10. Defeat Obama.

There ya go. Ten simple things that will reduce the cost of medical care in the USA.

 

You got egg on your face on that, the BILL was over 2000 pages and you have yet to refute the cites I posted...................you know if you are going to be snarky you better get it right else you look mighty foolish.

 

In others words your accusations about him are totally self-serving and without basis.........................gotcha

 

Romney will be vilified by the far left, just as Obama has been vilified by the far right, if he is elected. Which is too bad.

Regardless of who is elected- Romney or Obama- I will be hoping that person is a very successful President.

 

I just don't get this wierd anti-American attitude. Are you just so scared of opposing political opinions that you would prefer to tell those who disagree with you to leave?

Clearly you don't like how America is right now- but I am not telling you to leave- you are welcome to express your incorrect opinions.

I love America, and I think it is incumbent on all Americans to support whatever change that each of us think would improve America. You apparently don't believe that. Which is rather sad.

 

Ah the myth that British and Canadians 'hate' their medical care. Canadians have a single payer health insurance system and my Canadian friends love it. Yes you might wait longer for elective medical services, but on the other hand- you can get necessary medical care regardless of the cost. Laid off? You still have insurance. Want to be an entreprenuer but have a wife with a pre-existing condition- you still have insurance and can go out and start that company.

 

Well those are some interesting ideas- lets discuss
1) interstate competition- this is a state's rights issues- you want to take away States rights to regulate insurance and give it to the Federal Government?
2) reduce the length of drug patents- interesting idea- but what would be the overall consequence? Canada reduced the drug costs simply by negotiating reduced costs by using the power of their unified purchasing power. You want to use Federal power to reduce the profits drug companies can make by reducing the drug patents. Both use Federal power. But interesting idea. How long would you reduce it to?
3) I have mixed feelings about Tort reform- the fact is that major corporations can and do balance their profits in decisions that can cost consumers their lives. If the risk of a major legal loss goes away, then corporations can simply build in the costs of minor losses, and there would be little or no incentive for corporations to police themselves.
4) "stop giving free medical care to illegals"- that 'free medical care' right now is mostly emergency room coverage. The alternative is to let illegals bleed out sitting in their car outside of emergency rooms. I am in favor of comprehensive immigration reform but the idea that we would just deny emergency medical care - or even more so- make people prove that they are here legally before giving them emergency medical care seems unlikely.
5) 'crack down hard of medical fraud'- ah what every Politician says they will do....every single one....
6) Eliminate unnecessary testing- I agree with this
7) Eliminate Obamacare- because of course Americans prefer not to be able to get health insurance if they have a pre-existing condition.
and 9) Under Obamacare- Congress wouldn't be able to keep their current healthcare
http://www.businessinsider.com/republican-health-care-repeal-hypocrisy-congress-2012-7
10) And of course defeating Obama wouldn't lower health care costs in anyway- just another Conservative delusion.

 

any insurance company can sell policies in any state it wishes, all they have to do is file for non resident status in each state that isn't their home state. most insurance companies already do this.

how does this effect treatment costs, hospital stays Er visits?

tort accounts for less than 1% of medical costs.

illegals don't get free care.

elaborate please.

elaborate please.

what do you think that will accomplish? what do you propose instead? going back to the way things were?

why?

why?

ok, and? mitt isn't going to do any of the above, so then what?

nothing you mentioned will have any relevant effect on the cost of medical care.

 

I felt the same way in january of 2009. Then it became evident that obama did not feel the same way about this country that I do. So I want his policies to fail because his policies are anti-american and anti-freedom.

 

We agree in principle. But I will not agree with changes that are not in the best interests of this country and its citizens. Its not always about compromise, Its about doing what is right.

 

Our patriotic right wing friends say they love America. It's just Americans they can't stand.

 

1. wrong, most companies compete across state lines, health insurance companies are not allowed to
2. getting generics into the system sooner will reduce drug costs for everyone. drug companies do not need 12 years to recoup their R&D costs
3. Lawyers are the ones opposing tort reform, wonder why?
4. I agree with giving illegals life saving treatment and then putting them on a plane back home
5. True, all politicians claim to do this, but few actually do
6. a rare point of agreement
7. 65% of americans are oppossed to obamacare. There are a few good provisions, like preexisting conditions, that should be retained
8.9 Congress is exempt from obamacare as are many companies--mostly those that supported obama
10. Obamacare will not lower healthcare costs, all the studies conclude that it will raise the cost on everyone.

 

I gave you the full text of the bill, which is 955 pages long. the egg is all yours.

there's nothing left for me to do except be snarky. you are steadfastly running away from backing up the bull(*)(*)(*)(*) you keep parroting. you have been called out on it, and we both know why you are unable to cite the specific portions of the bill you keep insisting exist.

 

I already addressed this. Seems like its the left that does not love the country, they keep wanting to ignore the constitution and turn the citizens into sheep.

 

Who said ignore the constitution? Certainly not me.

 

I already addressed most of these. But

Illgeals do get free medical care, they show up at the ER and get treated, they are mailed a bill which they ignore = free

Getting generic drugs into the system in 5 years vs 12 would reduce drug costs to everyone.

congress is exempt from obamacare, the dems in congress wanted it for you and me, but not for themselves

tort reform, a friend of mine is an ob/gyn. he just retired because his malpractice insurance was going to cost 200K/year, and he never had a claim filed against him.

 

Where in the constitution does it call for the govt to run healthcare?

 

Where in the constitution does it call for the govt to run healthcare?

 

Same place where it says you can have a Nasa and an aircraft control system.

 

Same place where it says you can have a Nasa and an aircraft control system.

 

virtually every major medical insurance company operates in all 50 states.

tort accounts for less than 1% of healthcare costs. it's irrelevant.

how do you propose to keep the preexisting condition portion without an individual mandate?

obamacare was about getting more people COVERED, not bringing down costs.

 

NASA was created as a "National Defense" program, keeping the Cold War Enemy from dominating Space.

Obamacare is an extension of both FDR's New Deal and Johnson's Great Society, which will soon be repealed. Congress can repeal anything it has legislated and this was certainly done so, over the peoples (States) wishes....

Obama IS finished...

 

nope. that's not free, it's just not paid for. there is a difference. illegals do not receive free care.

possibly. but I thought you guys were against big govn't. you are advocating the federal govn't telling drug companies they can only have a patent for 5 years.

they are already on govn't insurance. why would obamacare need to apply to them?

anecdotal. tort accounts for less than 1% of medical costs.

 

Yes here is some of what you linked.

SEC. 6606. MEWA PLAN REGISTRATION WITH DEPARTMENT OF LABOR.
Section 101(g) of the Employee Retirement Income Security Act
of 1974 (29 U.S.C. 1021(g)) is amended—
(1) by striking ‘‘Secretary may’’ and inserting ‘‘Secretary
shall’’; and
(2) by inserting ‘‘to register with the Secretary prior to operating
in a State and may, by regulation, require such multiple
employer welfare arrangements’’ after ‘‘not group health
plans’’.
SEC. 6607. PERMITTING EVIDENTIARY PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIAL
COMMUNICATIONS.
Section 504 of the Employee Retirement Income Security Act
of 1974 (29 U.S.C. 1134) is amended by adding at the end the following:
‘‘(d) The Secretary may promulgate a regulation that provides
an evidentiary privilege for, and provides for the confidentiality of
communications between or among, any of the following entities or
their agents, consultants, or employees:
‘‘(1) A State insurance department.
‘‘(2) A State attorney general.
‘‘(3) The National Association of Insurance Commissioners.
‘‘(4) The Department of Labor.
‘‘(5) The Department of the Treasury.
‘‘(6) The Department of Justice.
‘‘(7) The Department of Health and Human Services.
‘‘( Any other Federal or State authority that the Secretary
determines is appropriate for the purposes of enforcing
the provisions of this title.
‘‘(e) The privilege established under subsection (d) shall apply



SEC. 6701 ø42 U.S.C. 1305 note¿. SHORT TITLE OF SUBTITLE.
This subtitle may be cited as the ‘‘Elder Justice Act of 2009’’.
SEC. 6702. DEFINITIONS.
Except as otherwise specifically provided, any term that is defined
in section 2011 of the Social Security Act (as added by section
6703(a)) and is used in this subtitle has the meaning given such
term by such section.
SEC. 6703. ELDER JUSTICE.
(a) ELDER JUSTICE.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—Title XX of the Social Security Act (42
U.S.C. 1397 et seq.) is amended—
(A) in the heading, by inserting ‘‘AND ELDER JUSTICE’’
after ‘‘SOCIAL SERVICES’’;
(B) by inserting before section 2001 the following


BOLDED items are all references to "other" laws that must be referenced to understand what obamaSCAM is saying.

This is from one page, at random, of the 955 pages. I have heard it said that the references encompass 100,000 other pages.

Here we are referred to a minimum of 5 other pages in less than one page of obamaSCAM. And those 5 references may be more than a page long. In any case 5 X 955 = 4755 or more pages that must be looked at to "read" obamaSCAM.