Barack HUSSEIN Obama is finished

which doesn't change the fact that the actual bill is 955 pages long.

 

Sorry, on what page in the Constitution does it mention NASA, the national air traffic control system, and the national freeway system?

 

Hilariously desperate. The Republican Congress will repeal it and Romney will sign the repeal. Sometime before the end of Jan 2013. ALL THE MANY THOUSANDS OF PAGES AND ITS BASE 955 PAGES

 

nope. it's simply a matter of objective fact.

why would romney repeal it? it is based entirely on HIS system.

 

Clearly what is good enough for Massachusetts is too good for the rest of the country.

 

Same place it calls for the Air Force, Disaster relief and the home interest tax deduction.

 

Are you saying that the voucher system is a better one?

 

You mean here:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America....[/QUOTE]

Where it refers to both defence and 'promoting the general welfare'? If you take this to mean NASA, I think that the government mandating that everyone buy private health insurance fits under 'general welfare"

 

you're wrong, my assessment is based on what i see and hear romney say, then try to unsay

 

"Enumerated Powers" and you won't find National Health Care there.

Actually the "Interstate Highway System" an Eisenhower program (as was the German Autobahn), started as a means for the military to move around, but soon became an accepted National System. ATC, is also a security issue. If your leading into the "Commerce Clause" which is fine, only if used with the amendment procedure and has not been for decades. Long story short, States have simply got in the way of Obama's idea of a Central Government and must be reduced in authority, note current law suits against them....



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enumerated_powers

 

Nor will you find "Air Force" or "interstate Highway systems". If you are willing to put those under the "general defense" as an enumerated power, then Obamacare can be rationalized as part of "General Welfare"

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.


I will note that the Constitution specifically provides for both a Navy and a Army(land force) but has no provision for an air force. Not surprising- but clearly not 'enumerated'

 

Another routine regular liberal lie. Read them both. There is almost no similarity. Plus Romney vetoed more than half the MA healthcare bill but the Democrats overrode all his vetoes. MA's healthcare bill was introduced by Democrats in both MA legislatures and passed by Democrats, and Democrats overrode Romney's vetoes. Now in desperation to remain in power, Democrats LIE and lay the entire thing at Romney's feet like he issued a Royal Edict establishing the law.

EVERY DAY of Romney's term as Gov. The MA Congress was totally controlled by the Democratic Party. Yet he balanced the Democrats budget. Reversing a Democrat deficit and leaving with a surplus, which the next Democrat IMMEDIATELY turned back into a deficit.

You liberals are WITHOUT a FACT. You have become the Party of incredible liars. And most liberals are so sadly STUPID, they believe the lies their lying leaders tell them. WHY? Because they tell you what you want to hear. Its not your fault, its somebody else's fault. BULLCRAP, IT IS YOUR FAULT.

 

Okay one by one
1. allow interstate competition between insurance companies
Not the worst idea I've ever heard
2. reduce the length of drug patents
Good luck getting that passed
3. tort reform to limit payments and make loser pay court costs
Right, lock people who have been injured by incompetents out of the courts
4. stop giving free medical care to illegals
Yep, let 'em die in the streets, after all they aren't really human
5. crack down hard on medical fraud
Where it exists absolutely
6. Eliminate unnecessary testing by changing malpractice laws
Once again, lock 'em out of the courts
7.Repeal obamacare
OOOH, the boogy man!
8. put congress on medicare and social security
They will be eventually
9. cancel congressional free cadilac medical plans
Members of Congress get the same coverage as all other federal employees
10. Defeat Obama.
Not gonna happen

By the way Ayn Rand was a psychopath, talented artists are often loony tunes

and it's spelled 'Cadillac'

 

JEFF: Were talking about equal protection of all people and to assume it means their health, would then fall on to many other things. NO ONE can maintain good health, without food, water and shelter and it's impossible to provide equal quality to each person in either of those two or maybe thousands of issues that can bring on physical or MENTAL problems. Said another way you can promote anything, but can't provide for 320 Million people, especially equally.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Welfare_clause

 

Your ignorance is what is amazing.

 

Well done. I learned something new, assuming that Wiki is right and I don't have time to check on it right now. Thanks

 

i don't think liberals are without facts

i think you just ignore or try to twist them

for example: romney has praised israel's socialist healthcare system

but you can't seem to accept that fact at all

you just make excuses for and dodge it

 

http://www.boston.com/politicalinte...his-empathy/eYeBDy9suhfQxDwSjXEZ5H/story.html

“Don’t forget -- I got everybody in my state insured,” Romney told NBC late Wednesday afternoon. “One hundred percent of the kids in our state had health insurance. I don’t think there’s anything that shows more empathy and care about the people of this country than that kind of record.”

According to you- its just a liberal lie that Romney was even involved in the healthcare law- but Romney says he was the one who got everyone insured.

And what is the one issue that Conservatives are using to scare Americans about Obamacare- individual mandates- taxes?

In a 2009 interview with CNN, Romney explained how the Massachusetts health care mandate worked. If the state's residents decided to forgo health insurance when they could afford it, Romney said they would face the loss of a tax exemption. In other words, they would be assessed a tax.

"There are a number of ways to encourage people to get insurance and what we did, we said 'you're going to lose a tax exemption if you don't have insurance,'" Romney told CNN in the interview.
The former Massachusetts governor said the mandate was necessary to achieve universal coverage in the state.

Yeah- tell us more about how the Massachusett Plan isn't anything like Obamacare, and even if it is, its not Mitt's fault- because Mitt seems to be taking credit for it.

 

Look. I'm with you. I don't like the guy. But people like you give me a bad name. You make Republicans look like the hateful party that the left says we are. You are just giving them fuel and proving them right. Is that what you want, to give them the moral high ground?

It IS people like you that are tearing this country apart.

 

he'll never admit that

 

nope................

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...eycare-and-obamacare-can-you-tell-difference/

 

First politiFACT, isn't. and second, perhaps you missed it but the SCOTUS found the Medicaid expansion to be UNCONSTITUTIONAL. So THE major selling point of obamaSCAM was covering all the people that wouldn't be covered. That won't happen. And the reason that SCAM was unconstitutional was that it forced the STATES to pay for it. So the CBO says how much obamaSCAM will cost, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. They do not compute what the costs to the States and the tax increases the states have to do to pay for obamaSCAM. So the cost estimate was a Lie. In the Nov election the state of FL is ADDING a STATE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT, that will state that NO law can ever be passed requiring that any citizen of the state can ever be required to buy health insurance. Nor be required to pay for others health insurance.

So the "penalty" became a tax and the expanded coverage got tossed out by the SCOTUS.

And here is a little something for you to consider about gov health care.

In the USA we spend 11.8% of our household income paying out of pocket for health care.

Austraila, 18.6%
Canada, 14.4%
Germany, 13.2%
Greece 38.4%
Israel, 27.1%
Japan, 16.0%
Norway, 15.0%* 2007
Sweden, 16.8%

ALL with UHC. Yet they all spend more out of pocket than the USA household without UHC.

The OECD average is 20.1% as of 2010. THIS IS IN ADDITION TO WHAT THE GOVT SPENDS ON HEALTH CARE.!

http://www.oecd.org/els/healthpoliciesanddata/oecdhealthdata2012-frequentlyrequesteddata.htm

So things are not so rosy with gov health care either.

THERE IS NO FREE LUNCH. THERE NEVER WILL BE A FREE LUNCH. One way or another, everything comes with a cost.

 

Notice how you got caught making things up, were proven incorrect, and you just brushed it off like nothing happened?

 

Since I'm not a shrink, I cannot help you with your delusions. But I will elaborate for you. Politifact is a partisan website that does not deal in facts. And as long as you wish to believe what others tell you is true, you will live a life unaware of a real FACT.

You are welcome to research anything I post and find the official RECORDS and then dispute your interpretation of the actual facts with mine.

Now,

What do you "think" I made up?

Did Romney veto much of the MA health care law? YES!

Was the law introduced into both MA Houses by Democrats? YES!

Was the MA legislature controlled by Democrats throughout Romney's term? YES!

Did the Democrats override Romney's veto? YES!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romneycare

Legislation

In Fall 2005, the House and Senate each passed health care insurance reform bills. The legislature made a number of changes to Governor Romney's original proposal, including expanding MassHealth (Medicaid and SCHIP) coverage to low-income children and restoring funding for public health programs. The most controversial change was the addition of a provision which requires firms with 11 or more workers that do not provide "fair and reasonable" health coverage to their workers to pay an annual penalty. This contribution, initially $295 annually per worker, is intended to equalize the free care pool charges imposed on employers who do and do not cover their workers.

On April 12, 2006, Governor Mitt Romney signed the health legislation.[22] Romney vetoed eight sections of the health care legislation, including the controversial employer assessment.[23] Romney also vetoed provisions providing dental benefits to poor residents on the Medicaid program, and providing health coverage to senior and disabled legal immigrants not eligible for federal Medicaid.[24] The legislature promptly overrode six of the eight gubernatorial section vetoes, on May 4, 2006, and by mid-June 2006 had overridden the remaining two.[25]


Disapproved sections 5, 27, 29, 47, 112, 113, 134 and 137
Sections 5, 29, 47, 113, 134 and 137 overridden on May 4, 2006


http://www.malegislature.gov/Laws/SessionLaws/Acts/2006/Chapter58.

When a law, state or federal is enacted by overriding a Chief Executives veto, That law goes into effect WITHOUT his approval.

Romney COULD whine and soil his shorts about, ITS NOT MY FAULT," like the responsibility avoiding buffoon obama would, but Romney has not made a single excuse about Romneycare. He NEVER attempted to throw the Legislature of MA under the bus, or the PEOPLE of MA. He's kept the responsibility on his shoulders. obama would not have a nano-thought of accepting responsibility for what he does do, let alone anything with such an easy out.


And the law is 74 pages long if you care to PRINT IT.

Not 955 pages long with references to 10's of thousands of other pages THAT ARE PART OF THE obamaSCAM law.

And this you can take to the bank. EVERYTHING I post is as accurate, official, and as true as I can find from OFFICIAL sources. When it is not, I say, "So and so said this:,,,,,,," That may indicate that I agree, it may not. But I'm simply relaying what someone else said.

For Instance, The local LIBERAL paper posted a poll Sunday. They just posted the results. Who they polled, how they polled, I don't know. THEY didn't say. I do know that Registered Democrats make up about 30% of the local populace. The poll results for president were 81% ROMNEY, 17% obama, 1% others.

That is just info passed along. The items about the MA health care law are true and 100% accurate according to the DEMOCRAT CONTROLLED MA government.

So politifact says that a 74 page law and a 955 page law with references to many thousands more pages are essentially the same. Engage in just a tiny bit of CRITICAL thinking, and think about how that even could be possible.

Now if you wish to argue how I interpret the official information from official sources, THAT is completely fair and righteous as I am extremely conservative and you are liberal to whatever extent you wish to admit to. We can see the same FACT from a totally different perspective. But when you accuse me of making things up, you have lost YOUR credibility because I do not make things up, and I, IN FACT, often challenge other conservatives that post erroneous or questionable information. Each side needs to deal in truth. This nation is too important to do otherwise.

 

you're projecting your own state of mind