Barr says he thinks spying occurred on 2016 Trump campaign

You likely could, with all the others being children.

 

They'be preaching all this time to be patient and 'wait for the Mueller Report' but now they can't wait a few days. No indictments from Mueller means there's nothing there. They can't stand it, or understand how easily they've been misled all this time.

They're part of the baying crowds we see on B and W newsreels, willing to destroy people and their careers and only because they have strongly held beliefs. No further evidence is required.

 

I don’t expect any bombshells in this imminent report, but I do expect great difference in the perception of evidence revealed. Some will see matters Mueller deemed inadequate to sustain an indictment as conclusive proof of a crime.

There’s a range between conclusive proof and whatever is required to sustain an indictment, and even less is needed for an impeachment, so it is possible everyone will be pleased with the report and come out shouting “see, I told you so!”

 

They'll more likely claim that Mueller was in the tank for Trump. That seems to be their M.O. They cannot shed their beliefs easily.

 

Depending on what Bob knew, and when he knew it ... Bob axed Strzok because Bob discovered Strzok's texts. Texts that include ones about Strzok & Page disguising a meeting with FISA court judge Contreras as a dinner party. We don't know what Bob told McCabe about Strzok, but we know Strzok was only reassigned -vs- suspended from the FBI. Bob also had Strzok's phone "reassigned" before the OIG could get a peek, and only after having them wiped before that anyway.

 

Bullshit conspiracy theories.

And I am absolutely familiar with the time line of events. Of course I realize that trumpettes investigative abilities are on par with inspector clouseau.

So reports from allied Intell agencies about both trump associates meeting with russian operatives in europe

Your "knowledge" is full of holes which generates some truly ridiculous conclusions. But by all means keep your eyes closed. It should be noted that Manafort and Flynn have been found GUILTY of those CRIMES.

Your entrenched insistence that it all started with the Steele dossier is simply not factual.

No, trump characterized GP as a coffee boy. Guess you missed that.

You should add this to any update.

Manafort was under investigation LONG before he joined the campaign. YOu think that surveillance should have just stopped because the suspect got a pro bono executive position in the trump campaign? Is there some special law that says if you join a political campaign, you are protected?

And look at all those fake news outlets reporting on the fact that Manafort was a crook long before he came into the campaign. When trump says he believes in extreme vetting, its obvious it yet another thing that applies to everyone else but not to him and his people.

 

Yet another issue I do not understand. The question of spying on the campaign was confirmed long ago. All that has changed is the use of the word 'spying' instead of the more fuzzy word 'surveillance'

spy
[spī]
NOUN

1. a person who secretly collects and reports information on the activities, movements, and plans of an enemy or competitor.
   synonyms:
   secret agent · undercover agent · enemy agent · foreign agent ·
   espionage · undercover work · cloak-and-dagger activities · surveillance ·
   [more]

Surveillance
noun
1. a watch kept over a person, group, etc., especially over a suspect, prisoner, or the like:The suspects were under police surveillance.
2. continuous observation of place, person, group, or ongoing activity in order to gather information:video cameras used for covert surveillance.See also electronic surveillance.
3.attentive observation, as to oversee and direct someone or something:increased surveillance of patients with chronic liver disease.

Seems to me the only difference is in who is using the word. If trump said 'spying' the left must say 'surveillance'. If Trump was to use 'surveillance' the left would respond with 'there was no spying' and pretend the two terms do not mean the same thing...

 

What will be particularly amusing will be the lefts leaping on any silly example of unproven 'evidence' as proof positive that some evil act occurred.

 

So do you remember a few weeks back when Donald Trump said " release the Mueller report"?

Guess what tune he is singing today


"Apr 13, 2019 07:21:05 AM
Why should Radical Left Democrats in Congress have a right to retry and examine the $35,000,000 (two years in the making) No Collusion Mueller Report, when the crime committed was by Crooked Hillary, the DNC and Dirty Cops? Attorney General Barr will make the decision! [Twitter for iPhone] '

Trump is a fraud and a fake and a flip-flopper

 

Trump does ask a valid question...There is no level of proof that would satisfy the raving left and their media that no crime occurred so why bother. Just tweak the rascals and watch them dissolve into temper tantrums, fits, and 24/7 overt lies and silliness while the rest of the country, the sane part watches with amusement.

 

Congress has abandoned its constitutional role. It no longer legislates. Instead the president decides to do something and the courts review it for legality. Congress is out of the loop. Since it is out of a job and divided into two hating groups attacking each other, it is only expected that they substitute investigations for legislation. Federal government has never really worked very well but now it is a train wreck. One day the public will understand the true value of single term limits.

 

The problem with term limits is that it moves all the power to unelected bureaucrats with no accountability. Instead of term limits we should limit the total amount of time an individual can receive a salary sourced from the government, say 20 years.

 

Unlike Ol' Bone Spurs, I didn't get medals for keeping my room clean.

 

I must admit things are changing very fast. I have to get my yellow vest factory going

I heard it proposed on the liberal think-tank of national public radio which by the way I think it's one of the most unbiased news sources there is and has some of the best audio programming in The sound community...

Supreme Court Justice 18 year term limit elected every two years. Nine justices at any time with the will of the people

as much as we have politicized the supreme Court I think it sounds like a reasonable plan

Just think.... an scj could be impeached?

It still might happen to kavanaugh

Someday the Alex Kozinski saga will come out. He worked with the guy for 10 years and never knew he was a womanizer. I would say he's not that observant. Considering everybody in the courthouse knew it.

It's still too early for beer.. happy Easter by the way

 

I don't understand your premise. Bureaucrats can't legislate. They have some power but not the kind of power wielded by members of congress.

 

Your plan would just make the court more political and it appears to be more political now than is good.

 

Well supposedly the counterintelligence investigation began in late July 2016, but that's a lie. They were spying on Trump long before that. But that's when Brennan and Clapper started enlisting the help of our allies to spy on the opposition party campaign.

Reports that proved to be dead ends obviously because Mueller found no collusion.

Guilty of crimes that happened long before Trump was a candidate in the case of Manafort and after the election in the case of Flynn. None of it having anything to do with Mueller's mandate #WitchHunt of Russian collusion.

No, that is the lie told by the IC. It started much earlier. That is when they got a FiISA warrant on Carter Page. The Steele dossier wasn't completed until later, but they were getting information and paying Steele before that.

So he was a 007 level Russian asset? Too bad Mueller didn't find all that colluding.

Sure, Manafort was being investigated for his work with pro-Russian Ukrainian political party. The same one Tony Podesta and his brother also worked for. Only Crooked Hillary's campaign manager was being investigated for the same thing as Manafort even though he too didn't register as a foreign agent either, although, they let him do it retroactively and didn't charge him with a crime. But they charged Manafortfor not registering as a foreign agent. Two tiered system of justice. Where's your outrage about Podesta colluding with the Russians? They didn't open up a counterintelligence investigation into the Clinton campaign for the same ties to Russians. Why?

 

It's not my plan it's just a plan that I heard being tossed around

you know the forefathers made the Constitution so that it could be amended because they knew things were going to change

Perhaps we could get consensus that our traditional form of government is not working. Perhaps we have achieved a level of technical capability that requires a different set of rules and laws and a different form of government

I still can't get over that Donald Trump says socialism must never be allowed in America and it's all over the damn place. I love the highway system it's fantastic . I don't even mind paying a toll to help

 

You just keep piling up the conspiracy theories without a shred of evidence.

Page was already involved in a counter intelligence probe, a couple of years prior. He was warned and yet he continued to meet with russians, even going there and then he shows up in the Trump Campaign. Oh dear, there's no way that the counter=intell professionals would think that was at all worth looking at.

You can't get around all those guilty pleas and convictions, but I'm sure you and yours will keep trying.

 

The easiest and most accurate way to understand my point is to watch the old BBC series 'Yes Minister'. In minutes you know who really rns the government, the entrenched bureaucrats.

 

Obama's man Craig was busted for something to do with Ukraine .Just like Paul manafort

Sounds like a lot of dirty s*** goes down in Ukraine

it would be naive to think that Obama did not play dirty he just knew how to not get caught and be so blatantly obvious about doing what he felt he had to do

 

Thanks for the recommendation!

 

You appear to be correct. It was my understanding that Mueller had been aware of Strzok's past before appointing him to his investigation but can't find anything to support that assumption.

 

You're right. Everyone familiar with the history knows there was spying going on, which is why they got the warrants. The name itself, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, says it all. But of course they were using this surveillance on American citizens using a phoney 'dossier'.

 

Maybe Bonespurs J. McTidyup got his bone spurs from all of that heroic cleaning and vacuuming.

What a great man.