Be Very Afraid!

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  1. CenterField

    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    About tweaking: mRNA vaccines are easier/faster to tweak to new strains than other platforms. Given that mRNA vaccines are synthetic and made in a lab without any cell or egg culture (by the way, I'm mentioning eggs, for other vaccines; the SARS-CoV-2 doesn't multiply well in eggs), it's sufficient to tweak the RNA sequences. A new batch of mRNA vaccines can be adapted to a new strain in 6 to 9 weeks. Other platforms can be tweaked too; it just takes longer. In this, Moderna and Pfizer have a huge advantage. By the way, both have already started work on booster shots tweaked to the new variants of concern.
     
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    WHEW! That's a relief.
     
  3. James California

    James California Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ~ It certainly has for statistical significance - that we know. :sick:
     
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    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    More like seasonal common cold virus mutated into Covid.
    And the common cold virus(es) mutate too quickly for a
    surface antigen designated vaccine to be effective.


    Be Very Afraid.


    Moi
    :oldman:



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  5. Heartburn

    Heartburn Well-Known Member

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    Got my first shot two days ago. I ain't skeered of nuthin'.
     
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  6. James California

    James California Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ~ Joe Biden just made America less safe by allowing illegal entry of unvetted strangers into the USA - no masks required ! :omfg:´
    :shocked:
    Are you afraid yet ... ?


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    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's quite amazing how this user throws in the most unscientific things.
    Common cold coronaviruses are 20% of all common colds. 80% are by other viruses.
    Common cold coronaviruses have much less in common with the SARS-CoV-2 than several bat coronaviruses. The ancestor for the SARS-CoV-2 is a bat coronavirus, not a human common cold coronavirus.
    I'm sick and tired of this. Farewell forever. Over and out.
     
  8. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Be Afraid
    Be Very Afraid!


    https://www.yahoo.com/news/more-contagious-covid-variant-concentrated-193358862.html

    More-contagious :omg: COVID variant concentrated in
    South Florida
    but widespread, data shows
    I know the headline don't make no sense. Read on!

    Wed, January 27, 2021, 11:33 AM
    An emerging and more-contagious version of the COVID virus is circulating in 19 Florida counties, spanning the Panhandle to South Florida, new data indicates, and Miami-Dade and Broward counties had the highest number of known cases.

    The Florida Department of Health says it is now examining about 200 samples of the COVID virus on average every week to look for mutations in the virus, roughly quadrupling the pace it had set during the course of the pandemic, according to information the agency provided to the Miami Herald on Wednesday.

    Florida health officials first announced on New Year’s Day that a man with no travel history had acquired the U.K. strain, or B.1.1.7, in Martin County. Researchers have examined about 500 samples of the virus starting in late December from patients throughout the state and found 92 cases of the strain, which is thought to be significantly more contagious and slightly deadlier than the initial version of the virus.

    What’s most concerning is the pace at which officials are discovering the virus, an indication of how quickly it is likely spreading, said Marco Salemi, a University of Florida professor and molecular biologist who has been studying the spread of infectious diseases for 30 years.

    “It’s quite disturbing, actually,” Salemi said. “I didn’t think the situation was this one — 20% of 500 samples collected in basically the last 30 days? It worries me.”

    The fact that a more contagious version of the virus is so well established in Florida heightens the urgency of the campaign to vaccinate the public, Salemi said. .
    . .



    Meanwhile Moderna says its' vaccine demonstrates antibodies against some new variants / strains - - - although less so!




    Are YOU afraid yet?


    Moi
    :oldman:



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    "Pretty Boy" is NOT afraid
     
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    It's almost like the virus knows it didn't get all us elderly Americans so it's coming back to finish the job. I'm so scared I might wear a mask.
     
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    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I say again & again - - besides "Be Afraid. Be Very Afraid" ;)
    Covid is a cousin to the Common Cold viruses
    and mutates too quickly for any surface based
    antigen vaccine to be effective.

    Consider how hard it is to vaccine the latest flu!
    And it don't mutate nearly so quickly regardless of :blahblah: to the contrary


    It's about Basic Science. Nothing new here. move along

    We need a medicine that targets the virus' unique biochemistry as flumadine does type A influenza. Or Tamiflu does for both type A & B influenza virus. Duh - Uh! Plus Plus :hmm:


    Moi, M.D., ret. :oldman:
    UCSF '74



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    If not :flagus:, who?
     
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    Heartburn Well-Known Member

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    Moi Revere, the covid is coming, the covid is coming.
    Nobody wants this virus we just disagree on the price we are willing to accept for avoiding it. If it is as you say and mutating quickly it would seem we are all going to deal with it at some point. I don't know anybody that hasn't ever had a cold.
     
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    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    End the Lockdowns
    The Lord will protect his chosen!



    Moi :oldman:
    Got FREEDOM
    Less & less



    BLAME :flagcanada:
     
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    More-contagious :omg: COVID variant concentrated in
    South Florida
    but widespread, data shows

    :no: ~ Nothing giod ever happens in Miami ... :bleh:
    { Be careful of crazy drivers ! }
     
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    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Given a choice
    I choose Moderna
    or roll the dice on Sputnik v


    https://news.yahoo.com/european-regulator-gives-green-light-153451218.html
    European regulator gives green light for
    Astra-Oxford COVID-19 vaccine

    Europe's medicines regulator on Friday approved AstraZeneca and Oxford University's COVID-19 vaccine for people over the age of 18, the third vaccine to be cleared for use in the European Union.

    The AstraZeneca vaccine demonstrated an efficacy of around 60% in the trials on which the decision was based, the European Medicines Agency (EMA) said in a statement https://bit.ly/3pwGYlx.

    That is well below the level of protection shown by authorised vaccines from Pfizer and its German partner BioNTech and rival Moderna, which were around 95% effective in preventing symptomatic illness in pivotal trials. . .
    . .


    Party On!
    Do you really trust "them"?
    So much money involved.


    Live or Die
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    Wait alone or
    party, party, party.
    Self quarantine
    Self choose FREEDOM

    BTW my friend chose freedom
    last X-Mas and got mild Covid
    her sister more severe. Both live today.


    Moi :oldman:
    Oh boy :woot: a vaccine 60% effective
    sounds like a flu shot :hmm:



    STOP The :flagcanada: Virus




    And above all
    Be Afraid
    Be Very Afraid!
     
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    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh No
    Another Be Very Afraid so soon


    The Latest: Vaccinated congressman
    tests positive for virus
    The Associated Press
    Fri, January 29, 2021, 1:36 AM

    BOSTON — A Massachusetts congressman who has received both doses of the Pfizer coronavirus vaccine has tested positive for the virus.

    The office of U.S. Rep. Stephen Lynch said Friday that the lawmaker had had a negative test result before attending President Joe Biden’s inauguration. The office says Lynch’s positive test result came after a staff member in his Boston office tested positive earlier this week. . .
    . .

    FREEDOM TO PARTY!

    End the lockdowns.​
    FREEDOM to choose.
    Their way has not proven a better choice
    worth MY Freedom.



    Moi :oldman:


    BE VERY AFRAID
    for FREEDOM sake too!
     
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    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    :omfg:
    The virus learns!

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/clinical-trials-raise-fears-coronavirus-040855671.html

    New clinical trials raise fears the coronavirus is
    learning
    how to resist vaccines

    Fri, January 29, 2021, 8:08 PM

    New data showing that two COVID-19 vaccines are far less effective in South Africa than in other places they were tested have heightened fears that the coronavirus is quickly finding ways to elude the world’s most powerful tools to contain it.

    The U.S. company Novavax reported this week that although its vaccine was nearly 90% effective in clinical trials conducted in Britain, the figure fell to 49% in South Africa — and that nearly all the infections the company analyzed in South Africa involved the B.1.351 variant that emerged there late last year and has spread to the United States and at least 30 other countries.

    Johnson & Johnson announced Friday that its new shot was 72% effective against preventing moderate or severe illness in the United States, compared with 66% in Latin America and 57% in South Africa.

    Laboratory tests had suggested that the vaccines authorized in the U.S. — one from Pfizer and BioNTech, the other from Moderna and the National Institutes of Health — trigger a smaller immune response to the South Africa variant. .
    . .


    Are YOU afraid yet?


    Moi
    :oldman:
    Vaccines are NOT the answer :rant:



    Quarantine :flagcanada:
     
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    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    :lol: it's a virus... that's what viruses do, they learn... then mutate.... they've known this for a long time and just using this "knowledge" to make you......

    .....afraid.... very afraid....
     
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    :pray: ~ If you can survive driving a vehicle in downtown Los Angeles and Miami Florida you ain't scared of nothin´ ... :strong:
     
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    Another Dr. Fauci mismanagement!
    Are you afraid enough yet?


    https://news.yahoo.com/search-covid-19-treatments-faltered-165602178.html
    How the Search for COVID-19 Treatments Faltered
    While Vaccines Sped Ahead

    . . . The result was that many promising drugs that could stop the disease early, called antivirals, were neglected. Their trials have stalled, either because researchers could not find enough funding or enough patients to participate. . . .



    Anti Viral medicines should get more respect, eh Dr. Fauci
    I keep a pack of Tamiflu on hand and rarely take a flu shot.


    Moi :oldman:



    STOP :flagcanada:
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    How did the human race ever survive all those centuries without Pharma? :no:
     
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    Yes they are. Vaccines give us the courage to get on with our lives in the face of the threats various diseases pose to us. They will provide a significant level of immunity, weaken the viral assault in many other cases and prove to be ineffective in too damned many cases. We will live with those results just like we do with other viral threats.
     
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    Ignorance stays that way, and spreads unchallenged with that philosophy.
     
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    Doesn't work that way, never has, if it did, there would be no reason to say to treat others like you want to be treated, there would be no reason to teach, no reason to make laws, no reason to arm against a sea of troubles, no reason to be afraid of Covid, or wear a mask on the back of your head where Tigers live...
     
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    True, but I'll allow more patient people to challenge that ignorance. It's tiresome and I've been doing enough, so, I'm allowed to not continue the effort everywhere, and with every poster.
     
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    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Got courage?
    End the lockdowns!


    I have a first class relic.
    https://www.ebay.com/b/First-Class-Relic/13770/bn_7023311256
    Really. I do. Truly.
    It gives me courage to get on with my life.



    Sometime the flu vaccine misses the strain
    but, "they" say it's good for me anyway and to get it.
    Ref.: http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/can-they-be-trusted.513616/


    I want anti viral (antibiotic like) Covid medicine #119 above

    Vaccination will not work for the goal of herd immunity. Will it?
    Tamiflu has never let me down as flu vaccination has.

    And no YOU may not touch my first class relic. Buy your own.


    Moi
    :oldman:
    I'm old.
    I have asthma.
    gimme gimme




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