Being White

Discussion in 'Race Relations' started by The Rhetoric of Life, Mar 15, 2018.

  1. Renee

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    Gee let’s make the exception the rule like madam curie
     
  2. Esau

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    The birth place of industry is well known to be britain, the midlands to be precise and this revolution was entirely dependent on the atlantic slave so-called trade. i know this because that is in the curriculum in every school in the midlands. muslim slavery was totally different to the industrial level chattel slavery that the whites concocted. muslim slaves were not chattel and you were not born a slave from generation to generation in islam.

    you question 100 million blacks being killed by whites as you are only looking at the triangular trade and not at the whole colonial scramble for over that spread through to kenya, south africa, zimbabwe, congo, ethiopia, namibia etc. perhaps if you were more learned in the history of africa you would not question such facts.
     
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    the difference being is that whites literally exported this murdering industry across the globe to every corner, murdering millions. that is what is unique about whites
     
  4. Esau

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    whites wouldnt have achieved one without the other. you cannot state otherwise as it didnt happen.
     
  5. Liberty Monkey

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    Also electricity, plumbing, fresh water, roads, cars and computers.

    The internet you are using right now!

    Swings and roundabouts
     
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  6. VotreAltesse

    VotreAltesse Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh, it was a nice slavery. I guess when slaves were castrated, it was nice slavery too. I forgot that argument, "muslims did slavery, BUT it was ncie slavery, at the opposite of europe slavery, it was a SO nice slavery when people were castrated to serve in harems". It was so nice when muslims raided villages to take children in slavery. Muslims love so much slavery slavery was only abolished in 1970 in Oman, 1975 in Mauritania and 1992 in Pakistan. Every western/white countries abolished slavery one centure before muslims did otherwise slavery was abolished by european during colonization.

    This is propaganda. Industry and slavery aren't related. European invented

    Yes, I question that, even with that, even if you consider the genocide in Congo, you don't add up to 100 millions. The most reccuring casualties I find for atlantic slave trade is 10 millions people with 1 million more of people who dided. The genocide of congo who is the biggest casualty of colonization made around 8 to 10 millions death. Let's take the biggest estimation. We don't even come to 25 millions casualties.
    SO I asking true sources, not leftist "historian" who make up numbers.

    But countries who didn't practiced slavery did their technological and scientific revolution. Most of the scientists were french, british, german or from the scandinavian countries. Anyway, even fo UK and France, slave trade represented barely 1 % of their commercial activites. Furthermore, all slaves were bought to local african leaders, and some african people were extremly rich because of the atlantic slave trade. For instance, the king of Dahomey became one of the richest individual of its time, a shame
    Very few of them were spanish or portuguese, countries who were deeply involved in the slave trades.
    European invented many things who prefigure the industry revolution during middle age when there were absolutely no slavery, like printing, blast furnace, glasses, clockwork, boats able to withstand long travels and reach long distant countries.
    Slavery was first banished in European century during the 12 and 13th century. Even during the atlantic slave trades, there were no slaves in the mainland territories where lived basically all the population.

    About colonization, it's a plot to manipulate euros. There are two ways to manipulate people : guilt and fear. Nobody blames the arabs for their empire, despite they destroyed countless christian and hindu kingdoms, nobody blame the turks for their empire, despite they killed and enslaves so many people too. Nobody blame Gengis Khan. In a way, it's wrong only when euros commit it. Euros became pathetic weaklings who excuse themselve for having been strong. If the arabs had the technological advantage ,there would have eaten alive Europe. That's propably why Europe get invaded today, they became gutless, and don't even try to protect themselve from the african muslim invasion.
     
  7. Esau

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    the industrial revolution happened on the back of the trans atlantic so- called trade. those are simple histroic facts.
     
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    i dont know alot about the muslim slave trade as europe was not involved. all i have researched is european slavery as i am european and the birth of industry was ironbridge in coalbrookdale, midlands, uk. here the brits were at the time heavily involved in the slave so-called trade and it was due to this finances created through slavery that britain was able to create the economic boom that preceded the industrial revolution. every aspect of british industry was soley dependent on enslaving africans who were the source of the british financial wealth weather that be in carribean, bristol or africa.

    the british empire collapsed when slavery was abolished.
     
  9. VotreAltesse

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    Your claim is bullshit and leftist propaganda.

    The british empire collapsed when slavery was abolished ? What is that new kind of revision of history ? Brits abolished slavery in 1833, the british colonial empire collapsed around 1950. Just one century after. In fact, the end of slavery is the beginning of colonialism.
    British slave trade didn't represented even 1% of its economical life. Furthermore, from a technical point of view, the industrial revolution was enabled by people like Watt or Papin who just invented the steam engine, and euros invented things, and complexe one (clockwork wasn't invented by dummies, and it was invented during european middle age). Furthermore, the european didn't captured any slave, they bought it, and how did they bought it ? By producing goods. It's because western european produced a lot of goods there were able to trade slaves with african kings.
    So it's still a no.

    The fact that the past is full of sad stories (like slavery) don't allow you to make up "facts".
     
  10. Liberty Monkey

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    Didn't realise it's was the 1950's they abolished salvery, I assume you have links to back this up?
     
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    call it what you like but the fact is that the birth place of industry was funded from the profits of slavery. you seem very proud that the industrial revolution began in england, shropshire to be precise but did you know that at that revolutions very heart, coalbrookdale in ironbridge, the principle donor for its expansion and later erection of the worlds first iron bridge was T. Goldney. Golney was the largest shareholder in Woodes Rogers (born in bristol, the capital of british slavery institute) Slave empire whose capture and enslavement of africans not only populated the carribean but national archives in britain indicate that captured africans were also brought back to england. there are many transcripts and documents to testify to this. so as we can see, the slavers directly funded the expansion of coalbrookdale.
     
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    when slavery was abolished this was the beginning of the british empires decline as this was the principle source of wealth for britain, it can even be argued that it was the sole source of wealth but i may concede that line of thought if you stop being so contrary.
     
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    Don't need you to concede anything it doesn't change the truth, Western world built itself up with slavery and also gave us nearly ALL scientific breakthrough's in the 1700's-1900

    Why do you think you speak English today, it's a mixed bag if you hate white people so much stop using electricity and the internet otherwise grow up **** happened but it wasn't in our lifetimes we're not our grand parents. We need to learn from their mistakes not repeat them.
     
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    Okay, first european didn't captured any slave, they bought it to local slavetraders who captured themselve slaves. By the way, slavers were corporate and when they realized that slavery won't ast a long time, they changed of business.
    The roots of industry existed before slavery in Europe.
    The base of industry isn't money, it's technical progress, the ottoman empire was richer than UK and France, had a lot of slaves = no industrial revolution, the king of Dahomey who sold slaves to euros was one of the richest individual of the world = no industrial revolution.
    Denis Papin and Watt were the father of the industrial revolution by inventing steam engine, that's the base of revolution.

    If your claime were true, all slavers nations would have become industrial, and it's far to be any true.
     
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    historic crimes are still crimes unpunished but you directly benefit from those crimes so you are technically guilty, of receiving stolen property like gold and relics from that era that you keep in your museums are charge ppl £50 a pop to see them, you also sell those stolen artifacts for millions which also benefit your economy today. just remember that without enslaving so- called africans for 400 years you would be speaking spanish or arabic and living life as a dhimmi.
     
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    Oh good, so muslims who harrassed europe for centuries are guilty of those crimes ? I can legally attack them ?

    So when terrorists kill people, may I kill their children ? If crimes are hereditary, we could be able to sentence these children.

    Should we nuke Turkey and take back Constantinople ? Istanbul inhabitants benefit of the crimes or their ancestors, they must pay.
     
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    im going to cut off your post here because you begin your statement with a fallacy thus rendering the rest of your post invalid as it follows on from this deceitful statement.

    as i stated earlier;

    "Golney was the largest shareholder in Woodes Rogers (born in bristol, the capital of british slavery institute) Slave empire whose capture and enslavement of africans not only populated the carribean but national archives in britain indicate that captured africans were also brought back to england. there are many transcripts and documents to testify to this"

    there are many, many more examples of this, clearly you have not been told the truth as to make the oppressors look like nice ppl. No, they were not nice ppl, they were demons. stop trying to defend these wicked european slavers just because you look like them, you are a perfect example of european tribalism
     
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    i am not god, you can do as you please but remember that the most high will judge you on your actions and you will be punished for generations upon generations for any wickedness
     
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    I don't defend european slavers, I just says that most of slaves were simply bought to locals.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahomey

    I don't care of god, I don't believe in it.

    There is a way to punish all hereditary faults : nuke the world. Black people commited cannibaolsm and genocide, arab and white slavery, asian genocide, native american cannibalism and genocide, so if you want to punish all hereditary faults, just work for nuking to world, it's the only way to purge this world.

    Or you consider that hereditary faults is bullshit.
     
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    Without electricity, running water and sanitation.
     
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    you were responding to my comment about the duke and duchess slave ships and you falsely stated that the first europans didnt capture africans, they were sold them. this is blatantly fasle as the first captives take by europeans were captured in battle by afonso at the bay of arguin. clearly you WERE ignorant of this fact though
     
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    I'm also white and like being white but the rest of your script doesn't apply to me. I'm in the 4th quarter of my life and have enjoyed many opportunities and much success that would have had a much greater degree of difficulty had I been black. I was born in 1934 and for sure it wasn't a cake walk for any blacks born at that time. Hopefully today it is a little easier for them but things still have a long way to go.
     
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    all of which were invented by black and brown ppl. Babylonians (brown ppl) in vented electricity, Yahweh (black person) invented running water and Dravidians (black ppl) invented sanitation.
     
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    Wait over 100 years ago, Jews nailed Christ to the Cross who do I see for compo lol.
     
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    I will survive to the fact I didn't knew this one.
     

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