Bernie Sanders: US must follow NZ lead on assault-rifle ban.

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  1. AmericanNationalist

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    https://www.nationalreview.com/news...ollow-new-zealands-lead-on-assault-rifle-ban/

    And so, it starts. The New zealander mass murderer foretold what he wanted to see in the aftermath of the shooting, those who read pointed it out and unfortunately: People are still going to act as he wanted them to anyway.

    The people of New Zealand have no recourse for this power grab by the government. Which incidentally will make more criminals than it actually stops lol. Luckily, however, we Americans have the 2nd Amendment and Heller. As long as these things remain in effect, the USA can still be a prosperous, free nation under its constitution.

    But this is a sign of what's to come if we go blue this time. It always goes from 'reasonable restrictions', to unconstitutional power grabs. For the people of NZ, this perpetuates another tragedy a week after the shooting.
     
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    Speaking of unitended consequences, gun sales always go through the roof anytime talk of restrictions or bans comes about.
     
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    :roflol:

    You can cut out the Alarmist "they gonna take our guns away" RW BS.

    Nothing will change. The Gun Lobby is too strong.
     
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    :censored: have no problem with selling cartels assault rifles to use against our border patrol. They give everyone involved a pass.
     
  5. AmericanNationalist

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    More like the Constitution, the only reason Obama didn't pull anything like this prime minister, is that the Republicans would be doing what Democrats are doing on the National Emergencies Act(I note however, that in this hypothetical the Republicans would have a much stronger case, since the National Emergencies Act was signed by Congress, whereas an Executive Order isn't.)

    This legal theory, could plausibly hold or not(that is to say, regrettably activist judges) due to the Dreamers case. I regret to inform my fellow Americans that our judges are most certainly political and not apolitical, Justice Roberts might scream up and down otherwise, but the institution is indeed fallible and politics made it fall.

    But in theory, a challenge to an executive order banning any type of "military assault weapons"(and really, if they were smart it would be a rounds limit, rather than a weapons ban. That'd make it a much easier sell legally and politically) would likely win due to Heller.

    We don't live in a tragedy like New Zealand, thanks to Heller.
     
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    ABSOLUTELY! Don't love Bernie, but he's right here..
     
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    Bernie, I don’t dislike you personally. You’re sorta decent as far as politicians go, but your politics sucks. Feel free to move to New Zealand.
     
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    Bernie is a ******.
     
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    If guns kill people then why don't we just send all the guns to fight wars?
     
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    No, that would be a thing called "the people" and this document called "The Constitution".

    Can't own all the people, and our Founding Fathers predicted today's left, and protected the Constitution from them.
     
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    Mass shootings are a combination of evil people having unnecessary weapons... I'd like to take care of both problems at the same time, but you have to start somewhere...

    And don't try the argument that assault weapons aren't necessary for the military... Nobody is going to bite at that cheese...
     
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    Banning assault rifles will solve absolutely nothing and not save a single life! Article after article (search the internet) deliver proof of this point.
     
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    Safety is overrated.
     
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    Hey, isn't murder already against the law? How's that working out?
     
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    If gun bans work, why didn't murder disappear after Feinstein's 1995 gun ban bill? They already tried their idea back in the Clinton-era. It didn't work.
     
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    What issues could anyone possibly have over background checks prior to purchasing a weapon?
     
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    Well, the big issue is the government database. If it were a third party, neutral database that would be one thing. But the fact that it's a government database is in of itself a pretty big departure from what the Framers would've approved of.

    That said, I'd compromise with a universal background check for all dealers, if we got a serious mental health component to go with it.
     
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    NZ now has laws that are comparable to California.
     
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    We already have them. The issue is state laws and the progressives want government to tell states what to do within their own borders. Nothing in the interstate commerce act allows that because it is intrastate.

    Private sales are not the problem and never have been. That is one issue. Criminals do not buy guns from law abiding citizens, they take them from family members like Lanza did or steal them. That is the other issue.

    Useless laws stop nothing.

    Funny choice for a forum name considering your comment.
     
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    Bolshevik Bernie is a crazed old man, and needs to go away.
     
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    Add another to the list of those helping that psychopath achieve his goals.
     
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    Then perhaps the individuals who constantly voice their support for firearm-related restrictions should simply shut up, and stop talking about what is supposedly impossible.
     
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    The mass shooter in the nation of New Zealand passed at least one background check in the acquisition of his firearms. Exactly how well did that work out?
     
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    So when people running for president say they're going to do it, that should be ignored? Oooooookaaaaaaaaaaaaay.
     
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    There is no such thing as an assault weapon.
     
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