Bernie Speaks: The corporate media ignores the rise of oligarchy

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  1. Kode

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    You're speculating and asking me to speculate.
     
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    Idahojunebug77 Well-Known Member

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    Democracy demands speculation. Democracy insists the majority rule from a position of ignorance rather than knowledge.


    BTW, I like your Karl Marx quote in your signature, but let me finish it for him.

    Karl Marx said, "Democracy is the road to socialism" but it must first pass through fascism, once there it never leaves.
     
  3. Kode

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    Pffffft! I see you have some trouble with accurate definitions.
     
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    You're welcome to use any label you choose to describe the control of business practices.

    But back on topic, the corporate media doesn't ignore the rise of oligarchy, it facilitates this rise by disseminating propaganda to the ignorant masses. Democracy doesn't change this equation, it would make it worse in my opinion.

     
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    Ok, that video is shocking. No wonder we are all brainwashed.
     
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    always kindergarten with you isn't it? if they had liked democracy and respected average intelligence they would have had all decisions made by direct voting. Instead, people voted for experts who in turn picked other exports who made policy. Got it now?
     
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    what corporate media? Fox and MSNBC are opposites and most get their news from 100 different odd sources on internet. Oligarchy when there are 100 million world wide corporations?? Oligarchy means few not 100 million. HOw confused are you?
     
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    Of course if true you would not be so afraid to tell us the best example of this propaganda. What do you learn from your fear?
     
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    total 100% BS of course if true everyone in our free society would start one
     
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    You don't know. You're just throwing stones and trembling.
     
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    10,000 go bankrupt a month trying every fool idea imaginable. If commie businesses did better everyone on earth would try to start one. Now do you understand? if anyone beleived they made 14% more profit half the fortune 500 would begin converting tomorrow. Do you understand how the world works?
     
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    The video is shocking, if true. Not only does it illustrate the incestual relationship the media has with each other it shows that someone is clearly threatened by social media.
     
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    so Fox and MSNBC are incestuous?? Facebook and CNN??? Are you joking?
     
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    Watch the video I posted and draw your own conclusions.
     
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    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Brutal and ignorant.

    Take a course in Civics. Go here:

    Fundamentals of American Civics

    Otherwise, note that this a debate-forum, not a Message Board.

    Where there's a will, there is also a way ...
     
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    Comedy gold.

    First laugh of the day. Thanks for sharing.
     
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    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    THE MORE THINGS CHANGE HISTORICALLY ...

    You are confusing what happens on the Internet with that which happens on public media.

    Bonafide (keyword) newspapers/news-outlets are NOT indulging in the Fake News - which is a word made popular by the Master of the Art (whom I call Donald Dork to be descriptive and yet polite).

    So, let's not confuse the words "Corporate Media". There is Fox News and then again there's a whole host of other news-outlets that try to verify the content of their news before printing it (either in a newspaper or on the Net). But "news" is very corruptible when employed in the service of electing an official to office. Or promoting legislation that benefits only special groups.

    Simply said: It takes on the same importance in manipulating election outcomes that gerrymandering has done since its inception in 1812.


    Anybody can dump his-or-her load of BS in an internet "news outlet". That does not make the news either verified or verifiable. Once upon a time, there were news-columns where editors could print personal interpretation of news facts for the general public. They were called "editorials", and the bias recognized and obvious - but printable.

    What has become "news" in America is a pronounced effort by a comparatively small group of people to "control the media" - and, thus, public-opinion. This maneuver most certainly worked when the Russians successfully employed the internet to destroy Hillary's reputation during the 2016-elections with fake-news.

    That manipulation is now becoming evident as the link between Russia's secret-service organizations (that Putin employed to destroy Hillary's reputation) and Cambridge Analytica has come to light.

    Lo and behold, who owns Cambridge Analytica?

    No, not Sessions (who managed it) but his good friend Robert Mercer (and family). Multi-billionaire Mercer and is wife have been Replicant agitators for a great many years. This is what WikiPedia (here) says about the two:
    His net-worth (Wealth minus Debt) is estimated at just less than a trillion dollars. Evidently he and his wife don't know what to do with themselves, and like the Koch Brothers, like to dabble in "playing politics".

    My Point:
    *When huge amounts of money in the personal net-worth of a single individual is employed to "manipulate" public-opinion then a democracy simply falls apart.
    *Countries come and go. The greatest of all time has been Rome, which lasted for more than four centuries. But it too fell prey to the manipulations of the ultra-rich trying to protect their massive incomes by hiring foreign forces to fight for Rome and defend foreign-lands that provided large parts of their income. Where did they get the money to pay these armies? See this web-article about Spain's ancient Roman goldmines here.
    *All of which came to naught anyway when Germanic forces (Visigoths deeply antipathetic to Rome) fought their way in, burned and sacked it, and then marched out again. Rome was no longer an Empire.

    Applicable adage: The more things change historically, the more (after all is said and done) they apparently haven't been altered at all ...
     
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    I'm no longer shocked by that video. ALL those stations have been checked and ALL of them are Owned by Sinclair Broadcast Group..... the owners of Fox "News", the original "fake news" station.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_stations_owned_or_operated_by_Sinclair_Broadcast_Group
     
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    That's the point. The stations are not independent journalism, their message is controlled by the oligarchs to facilitate the oligarchs desired outcome.
     
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    WHAT'S IN A WORD?

    There is no "gag rule" on all political thought or opinion in the US. (We are not yet Nazi Germany.)

    Whether the oligarchs "run all news-publishing" or not is a matter of conjecture. I am saying that in the past "political opinion" was clearly limited to the editorial page of a newspaper. The rest of the news was supposed to be politically "objective".

    That is no longer the case. Now it is driven over published news-sites on the Web, and backed up by news-outlets on TV - most notoriously Fox News.

    American news-reporting has lost its objectivity and has become party-partisan - both Left and Right.

    Note that this happened once before in history. When the Nazis took control of the news in Germany. Now try to bend your mind around this one: "NAZI" was the reduction of the political-party name "National Socialist German Workers' Party".

    The way "Democractic" is intended to infer "democracy" and "Republican" infers a "republic".
    When, in fact, for all intents and purposes, the two words are practicably identical.

    Which is a lesson in how to warp language to pursue ideological necessities ...
     
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    Exactly. This is a very clear and objectionable case of "brainwashing". And as we can see, it is very effective.
     
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    LOL!!!! Try doing a search on the word "Fox".
     
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    I said Fox NEWS.
     
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    Well, your "specificity" got me researching the question and I was pretty amazed to find that while Sinclair owns SOME of the stations under the "Fox" umbrella, not all are so owned, including "Fox News". I had believed that "Fox news" was a name for a news presentation which was broadcast by "Fox" and that "Fox" was owned by Sinclair. To my amazement, not so. How can they all have the same name? I thought that was prohibited.
     

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