Beside Trumps rants - Construction of Nordstream 2 pipeline continues and may completed sooner

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  1. Sobo

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    Germany and Russia announced that the construction of the Nordstream 2 pipeline between Germany and Russia is running smoothly and may even completed sooner than planned.

    Several hundred km of the pipeline are already layd on the ocean floor.

    Trump rallies against the project and started to try to stop it in an never before seen attack against anotehr nations souvereign foreign policy.

    Trump called Germany a prisoner of russia and demanded that Germany buys amercan LNG, which is 30% more expensive.

    USA even started a sanction process and said they would sanction German firms involved into the pipeline project. That was the moment where Germany could not ignore this rants anymore.

    It was also the moment that changed the Nordstream 2 project. Before that attack it was a mediocore project without much government support. Now its a prime project and the government secures its completion no matter what.

    Germany said they will install counter sanctions against american corporations in case american government tries to block a german energy project.

    Now the audience broke out in laughter when american ambassador Grenell said in a meeting, that all USA care for are the german people. According to Grenell, its not about selling american LNG gas, but president Trump is worried so much that Putin might cut off Germany from gas supplly in winter and the german people freeze.

    Journalists first thought its a joke but obviously this statement was meant serious. German journalist Marietta Slomka said, Grenell might believe other people are braindead or something.

    http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/un...ipeline-schreitet-zuegig-voran-a-1238769.html

    Well, as a german patriot i stand 100% behind this project. It must be build no matter what. German energy politics are decided in Berlin and nowhere else.

    The good thing is, that Trumps attacks against us made this project a prime project. No politician would dare to stop this now, because the people see it as a symbol for german souvereign politics.

    Before some Trump fan boys crawl up from their holes, i want them to see it from our point of view. If they would accept a foreign nation tryining to intervene into an american project.
     
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    Jestsayin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So what is the point of your post, Germany is now dependent upon Russia for fuel?
     
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    Germany gets only 30% of its fuel from Russian sources.

    Germany doesnt allow USA to destroy our sovereign rights to decide our own politics.

    No nation with some self respect would bow down to such mafia methods.

    Just a simple question, would you allow another nation to try force you into a contract, that sells you low quality gas for 30% more price tag? LNG has lower quality and is 30% more expensive.

    If you want compete on the German market i advice you to try capitalism. It works. Build an LNG terminal in Germany and offer your LNG for a better price than Russia does and i promise you companies will buy your american LNG.

    By using mafia methods you destroy any credibility and create enormous damage. There are already boycotts on american products here. Experts believe trumps shameless insults against Germany have cost
    american companies 2.5 billion € income on the German market.

    His rants also secured the existance of teh pipeline. Before his intervention attempts Merkel was not pro Nordstream 2. Now she has no other chance than supporting it since the public demands it.
     
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    "Negotiator" Trump doesn't understand any form of negotiation beyond simple bullying. Sad.
     
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    Thank you but as long as I can get spare parts for my 535i I really don't care what Germany does. When those become too expensive I have a lot of options available at lower prices.
    Call me when all the US troops are out of your country and Europe in general.
     
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    Germany's rising dependence on Russia for its energy supplies is only going to get worse as it aims to shut down its nuclear power plants by 2022 and their eco-socialists agitate for less coal production and use.

    Not sure how this is anything to brag about, but we are talking about the sheeple who once flocked in droves to genuflect before the Obamessiah...

    [​IMG]

    Not very bright.

    Meanwhile in America, we brag about producing more of our own energy and becoming a net energy exporter. Go figure...
     
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    hes not a bullyer hes a bluffer
     
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    He bullies and he bluffs, sure. He's also comically easy to see through. He is a massive retard who narcissistically imagines himself to be massively intelligent.
     
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    he huffs and puffs and blows houses down to:rolleyes: in your mind[​IMG]
     
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    No, he just gets white hot with rage, and takes it out on staffers and Twitter.

    Mueller is coming and there is nothing (legal) he can do about it.
     
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    wait a minute was that a racial pun by yaho_O
     
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    Heh. But only Trump's eyes are white [​IMG]
     
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    hes half owl :evileyes:stays up most the time at night:evileye:
     
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    You don't even buy American? Some patriot you are.
     
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    Majority of Germans want US troops out.

    But thanks for showing that you agree with our stand for capitalism. We have a cheaper option avaivable than american LNG.

    The report says the pipeline makes 2km a day. Awesome progress.
     
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    Our energy politics are none of your business.

    You have to get used to the fact that nations follow their sovereign politics.

    As for the erst of your rubbish: We cover 100% of our energy demand with renewables

    https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/renewables-cover-about-100-german-power-use-first-time-ever

    But i want your honest opinion.

    If you would be German and a foreign head o state threatens your country to cancel a energy deal and make a deal with the very same foreign state that threatens you...for 30% more price tag...

    What would you think about a chancellor who bows down to that?

    If you answer this with your own ideas, you will understand why Trump made the completion of Nordstream 2 ineviteable.
     
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    A lot of that is makeup, which in most cases makes it look worse.
     
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    Thats what Slomka meant when she said she is speechless. To see an american ambassador standing infront a german audience after his President threatens Germany to cancel the contract and buy american gas for 30% more...that this guy stands there and says this is not about profits. Its just trump worries soooo much for the german people and fears they might freeze in winter...

    Slomka said she first laughed and then felt deeply disgusted about how pathetic and vile all this is. All nations have interests they fight for. But never before this was done on such an intellectual low level.
     
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    It also doesn't help Dumbo that he has revealed in the case of Saudi Arabia just how much money guides his thinking.
     
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    Unfortunately there is no such thing as an American Car. You will like the source as it is straight from the lefties bible.
    That said, I try to make up for it by supporting S&W, Ruger, Kahr, APF, and Kimber.
     
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    I most certainly agree with your assessment of Trump, but I think Germany is in a bit of a hard spot here. Russia, or better said, Putin, is not the person who can be trusted. I understand Germany has energy needs, most certainly will not accept any demands, but you guys are in a tough position.

    Remeber, neither Trump nor Putin will be there forever.!!
     
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    We dont trust russia. We make an energy deal. They sell 30% cheaper and they dont threaten us.

    Even during the most fierce times in cold war, Russia never broke its energy contracts with us.

    And its impossible now to end this contract. If German stops Nordstream 2, we would lose our face and become a vasall state. It would mean to give up our sovereighnity.
     
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    Unless I miss my guess, that is why Germany is bent on renewables as much as possible.
     
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    I couldn't care less about Germany's energy politics, Sobo, but Germany and Russia don't exist in a vacuum so your energy politics affect the world around you.

    You're preaching to the choir - I'm all about local sovereignty and autonomy and I'm looking forward to the U.S. playing a diminishing role in the world.

    However, you have to realize your country isn't the only one that is going to pursue its own interests.

    Rubbish?

    According to Deutsche Welle you're importing close to 40% of your gas and those imports are going to keep going up as you close down your nuclear plants. From what I've read, your eco-socialists are having a harder time getting your government to cut coal production and use so there's no telling if and when that will happen. If it does, your gas imports are going to rise even further.

    My opinion is that Germans should do what they think is in their best interests. If that means importing cheaper Russian gas instead of more expensive American gas then you should do so. However, as your reliance on Russian gas increases so does the need for strategic alternatives and I think it would be prudent for your leaders to plan and prepare accordingly. Given price and logistical considerations I think that is the best my country's energy sector can offer you right now - a strategic alternative.

    How this affects NATO is a different matter and Germany does have to answer to its allies about its energy policies. That's one of the downsides of being "entangled" in alliances - you have to listen to and consider the interests of the alliance and your allies, and if your actions conflict with their interests then there are going to be problems. We all complain about that but we all know the alternative, too, but everyone keeps talking about how important NATO is so no one appears willing to break up our dysfunctional transatlantic family.
     
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    We also build a LNG terminal in Wilhelmshafen, from there we can use LNG from Bahrain, Norway, Egypt and Cyprus.
     

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