Best home defense weapon

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  1. Spim

    Spim Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Now that I think about it...

    I have to play it back but did anybody get shot in either movie?

    Edit: oops. Yes, more than i thought.

    Thanks google!
     
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    Yes her wedding party was wiped out and she was shot in the head.

    Then Bill Brother shot her with a shotgun full of rock salt before he bury her alive.

    footnote the old mythbusters did a show to see if someone could get out of a coffin as in the movie and the answer was hell no.
     
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    Well, assuming they have the hand strength to cycle a slide (many don't) and under stress some people can short-stroke a slide, creating a malfunction. Even a properly maintained, quality semi automatic can have a failure to fire, a failure to eject, or a failure to feed, Murphy's Law being what it is. Unless you've practiced malfunction drills regularly (and too few do), it can be a legitimate problem.

    Sure, revolvers can fail too, but in the event of a failure to fire all one needs to do is pull the trigger again.

    Good points. Too many people train to the target range; they don't train with actual, real world scenarios in mind.

    Agreed again. One recommendation I make to people who do choose, say a short barrel DA revolver in .357, is to advise them to run it with .38 Special. In most defense situations the .357 has excessive blast, recoil, and penetration; while a good +P .38 is a much more effective round under such circumstances, and much more pleasant to train with than Magnums.
     
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    If an individual does not possess the physical strength to cycle the slide of a semi-automatic pistol, would they actually possess the physical strength to work the trigger of a revolver in double action fashion? How many pounds are each of the two springs actually rated for?
     
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    Locking a slide back requires both the finger strength needed to grip the slide plus enough strength to overcome both the slide spring and the hammer spring.

    Pulling a trigger only requires enough strength to overcome the hammer spring.
     
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    For myself I never repeat never double action a revolver as I see nothing gain by doing so an some accurate lost.
     
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    Most people with hand-strength issues find the cycling of the slide is far more difficult than the pulling of a trigger. A standard slide on a semi-automatic pistol runs 12-18 pounds, while a properly tuned DA revolver trigger runs 8-10 pounds, and the trigger pull is undertaken with far better leverage.
     
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    If you're shooting on the range for pure accuracy's sake then that's fine.

    In a self-defense situation taking the time to **** a revolver, combined with the light, crisp trigger now being actioned by someone with adrenaline compromising their fine motor control, is a recipe for disaster.

    And one can get VERY good accuracy firing a revolver double action. 37214.jpeg
     
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    Come on I been single action revolvers for well over forty years and not to do so would take an act of will an slow me down not the other way around.

    Once more I see nothing gain in speed or in any other way for myself by double action
    my 357 S@W which is the one handgun that is nearly a part of myself.
     
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    Whether double or single action, accuracy and speed, come with predictability of the mechanics, practice and consistency on the part of the operator. I used to have an old early 80’s S&W 686 4” I got used that was as smooth as glass in DA, very predictable trigger and very accurate for me. Shooting DA in revolver or semi auto (like my HK45) takes practice but can be mastered.
    Find old videos of people like Bill Jordan and Ed McGiven to see the accuracy and speed possible, or those of Jerry Mickulek.
    One of Jerry’s videos below, with some good tips... Someone with 1.5m rounds experience can offer a good bit of advice. Met him, very nice fellow...like his philosophy of simplifying everything.

    Look up Ed McGiven, some of his old 30’s-40’s videos are very impressive and most of his shooting was DA.
     
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    A BTW on the idea of revolver infallibility ...

    There is a lesson there...
     
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    Not all of us are gunslingers like you. For most people, there is a pretty significant gain in speed by using double action. I'm sure Jerry Miculek doesn't use single action for his records.
     
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    LOL you mean he did not fan his guns?

    Hell checking google it seems he did fan his guns hammers.

    Double action indeed!!!!!!!!!!!

    Below is another award winner comments on fast gun firing.

     
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    [​IMG]
    Just in case anyone was wondering, all those patched up holes along the outer edge? Those were MY shots :)
     
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    That's nothing related to what we are talking about. That's debating the best way to use a single action, not single action vs. double action. It's also a different person.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Miculek
     
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    Given that most revolvers can be fired in single or double action mode the subject is on target.

    Next the man I quoted is also a award winning shooter.
     
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    There are a few posting here that have met Jerry; very nice fellow, ready to share.
     
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    Best home defense weapon

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    Heads of pigs are placed on the ground of the entrance of an American neighborhood protecting the neighborhood from Islamist jihadist.
     
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    And you don't have one because you're scared of them. That's the only reason.
     
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    Most dogs are great at letting you know you're about to be killed.

    Not many are effective at stopping you from being killed though.
     
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    You don't understand why you'd want to have something than allows you to stop three 200lb guys from raping and killing you in your own home?
     
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    More so if they are already dead.
     
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    Any firearm you will maintain, become proficient using, be able to operate under extreme stress.
    BTW, the complexity of a firearm isn’t a function of caliber. Small guns have a number of advantages (concealability, light weight) but can have a number of disadvantages (difficulty shooting accurately, more potential to muzzle sweep self or others, require more dexterity to operate under stress, cartridges less effective for ending threats, etc.). If for home defense, why not a choice that balances your potential for accuracy, ease of operation, reliability, cartridge effectiveness, etc.). Then, become proficient and confident of your ability. Most shops/ranges can provide several options and often rent several to see what might work for you.
    BTW, Sig makes a range of guns. Most are top of the line for quality and reliability. When you say you couldn’t hand it what was the model and cartridge? And, are you referring to recoil, your ability to shoot accurately, or?
    Both my girls could and did shoot every gun in my collection (including some rather potent cartridges) by age 12-13 despite height not reaching 100lbs. They were both excellent marksladies and both enjoyed managing cartridges that some men avoided. So, when someone says they can’t handle a firearm, it usually tells me it is ergonomic issue, or a lack of practice and training. The older girl, now married, EDCs a Kimber K6 with .357 cartridges (I want one), and the other (also married) a S&W shield in 9mm(I think).
     
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    I own and use two shotguns. I used to be part of a shoot but the Laid took it back over so I really go shooting twice a year. I take my youngest to Rookin House to clay pigeon shoot.

    I like your fallacy reply, avoiding my actual post.
     
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    Conservative: Large-capacity-mag 12 ga. short-barrelled pump shotgun loaded with 3" magnum buck shells

    Liberal: rape whistle
     
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