Best Intelligence Agency in the World?

Wikidribble?

 

One of the ones that has never made itself known to the public.



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A note:

the fact that so far no one has voted for the most malicious and unfaithful intelligence agency ever ... Pakistani ISI ... it's a bit disappointing. I didn't vote for ISI, but we should keep into the right consideration its ability to create talibans and to change governments in Pakistan.

 

The poll asked which intelligence agency was the best, so I've ignored any covert or direct action capabilities that the traditional "intelligence" agencies get sidetracked on. I've also ignored the responsibilities larger agencies have to collate intelligence from multiple sources and come up with expansive analysis. For me, the answer has to be the best "pure" intelligence agency - the one that gets the highest percentage of actionable intelligence with a minimum of speculation. For me, that's got to be the OIA over in the Treasury Department. Where it comes to pure financial intelligence, they have their fingers in every pie, and they operate with equal impunity and effectiveness in both domestic and foreign operations. Whenever anybody in the world wishes us harm, they always have to leave a money trail - OIA specializes in picking up those money trails. You want to hold a country's feet to the fire with economic sanctions? OIA tells you who is violating those sanctions. You want to know who is funding a terrorist group and how they're doing it? Go ask OIA. You want to fight narcotics smuggling? OIA will follow the money. Nothing happens in the world unless somebody foots the bill, and when OIA finds that red flag, their leads get followed up by the more well-known agencies. You want to know the best intelligence agency in the world? It's the one who's on the money.

 

I would have said the CIA but I'm pissed off about the mess in the middle east so probably would vote other, my current hero is the hacker/insider who handed the Panama Papers data to the German journalist who exposed it all.

 

Or the one that accomplishes its goals, whether is known and feared (Mossad) or relatively unheard of (e.g DIA).

 

I'd say Mossad. They live in the shadows. Read up on some of their operations in the 70s and 80s. Crazy

 

I suppose that is why Brits like him love and adore Gun Control, they love even Criminals so much, they want to Ban Guns, because they care about everyone else so much, not just those that live close to them, they even want to share Gun Control with America as they care so darn much for US !

 

Clausewitz; et al,

I think this is one of those feel good questions, but make no sense in any practical way. It is a question with no answer, because there is no standard candle to compare them against.

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The United States Intelligence Community (IC) (16/17 depending on how you count elements) is so fouled up that it is almost dysfunctional. At the Presidential cabinet level, the DOD and the CIA are neck and neck. What most people don't realize is that DOD is as large or larger than the CIA.

Members of the IC that belong to the Secreatary of Defense (SECDEF)

• Air Force Intelligence
• Army Intelligence
• Navy Intelligence
• Marine Corps Intelligence
• National Security Agency/Central Security Service
• National Reconnaissance Office
• National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency

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There is no other country in the world that is organized like the US IC. So, it is impossible to compare the CIA to Mossad (or the Shen Bet). Similarly, the individual service agencies are setup completely different. You cannot compare any of of the Military Intelligence programs (Army Navy USAF, USMC) to any other. HUMINT in the Army is pretty much the old IPW program. The HUMINT of Army Intelligence is a program managed separately from that of the any of service. Similarly, Counterintelligence (CI) in the Army is segmented. It could not be more chopped-up and inefficient than is a Hostile/Foreign Intelligence Service (HoIS/FIS) came in and disabled the program. CI in the Army is not tied together. Divisional and Corps CI Agents are not in the same chain of command as INSCOM CI Resources or the DIA. NSA (a DOD Activity) has a CI Program but it is not really related to any of the other CI Programs. CI in the Army is not a Law Enforcement function. However CI in the USAF is run by OSI, Navy by NCIS, and USMC segmented but is handed over to NCIS if an investigation develops. You may recall that the case of WikiLeaks and Bradley Manning. The Investigation was run by Army CID Agents (Law Enforcement) not by Army CI. In fact Army CID, AF OSI (reports to the USAF Inspector General) and NCIS (reports directly to SECNAV) all have commands with an actual Headquarters; all being law enforcement. BUT, Army Intelligence does not. there is no such thing as Headquarters Army Intelligence. Now there is an Army Intelligence and Security Command, but does not control the assets at Echelons Below Corps. And then there is the Defense Security Service (CI), I think they just do background investigations --- reinventing the Defense Investigative Service.

But then there is the Danish Intelligence is everything rolled into one agency, with everyone working for the same chain of command. PET as it is known) is responsible for detection, identification, exploitation and neutralization of all threats to Danish society and Denmark; as well as threats directed at Danish Citizens and Danish interests abroad. While they are very, very small, they do more with what they have than any other national Intelligence platform in the European Union.

And of course, I don't have to explain MI-5, MI-6 and CGHQ to anyone. Each proficient in their own way, but very operationally difference.

Some nations have a competitive intelligence program; China is an example. The have a complex Ministry of State Security (MSS) and the People's Liberation Army Central Security Service (CSS). Back during the Wen Ho Lee case it appeared that both the MSS and the CSS had their fingers in the pie. Of course both the FBI and the DOE were handed their ass and Wen Ho Lee was given an apology and set free. I'm not sure which HUMINT Service rain that operation, if not multiple penetrations into Los Alamos, but they walked away with a bushel basket full of material and the combined resource could not solve this. Whoever it was go two hard drives containing the CNWDI use the response teams in emergencies and incidents. What was interesting, after taking them, the unknown FIS returned them back into the secure area.

So, in my humble opinion, I don't think you can ask a question like this and get a definitive response.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

The word "best" is subject to definition so I am hopeful that
Canada's CSIS is about to take a quantum leap toward a combination of well financed, ethical,
relatively altruistic and effective behavior.

In order to do this they will have to work closely with the CIA - NSA the Mossad.... MI6, DGSE and ASIS, as well as many other
intelligence agencies.

http://www.politicalforum.com/membe...ident-obama-remember-antigonish-movement.html

There are 143,000 acres of especially vulnerable land along the Bay of Fundy that give us a motivational edge on this topic:
http://www.politicalforum.com/envir...long-term-effects-climate-change-logical.html

 

Israel.

 

NRO.

 

A lot of people forget about the NRO.

 

As they should.

 

et al,

While the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) has a proud history and has produced some very fine products (some essential products), it is a one-trick pony. It does not provide a full array of intelligence services.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

None of the above - you've heard of them all.