Beto O’Rourke’s Progressive Tolerance Now he wants to use the tax code to punish religious dissenter

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  1. Robert E Allen

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    I wouldn't object to you being taxed double

    Hell i wouldn't object to you being taxed at 120% of your income.
     
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    HereWeGoAgain Banned

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    So for you, it is about your personal need for retribution and not justice. Got it.

    Typical trumper. :rolleyes:
     
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  3. Robert E Allen

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    Ohh and taxing churches isn't about retribution??
    That's all leftism is.. anger and vindictiveness..
     
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    Taxing churches is about equality.
    They are the only group that receives automatic tax exemption.

    If they want to be treated as a non-profit they should have to apply and be subject to the same rules as all other entities.
     
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    You can line up dozens of statements made by democrats, do a bad lip syncing with Trumps lips moving and democrats would lose their minds and think it is the end of the world. Case in point, the numerous videos coming out these past two days of darlings of the left calling the Clinton impeachment a lynching. Ooops, I guess it was ok back then, of course it was, the double standard is set in concrete.

    Beto wants to punish churches that do not toe the line, what if a black church suddenly came out against abortion, he would never dare to step on their heads, would he? You all know the answer to that.
     
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    Beto lost his relevance when he started talking gun confiscation. And then, instead of stepping back, he's dumb enough to double down on it.
     
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  7. perdidochas

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    AKA Robert Francis O'Rourke.
     
  8. perdidochas

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    That is counter to the 1st Amendment. Taking taxes from church offerings is interfering with freedom of religious expression. Also, as John Marshall said, "The power to tax necessarily involves the power to destroy." The ability to tax churches is just the first step towards the government eliminating them altogether.
     
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    The first amendment in no way has anything to do with equal taxes. They have involved themselves into politics and many of them do not do charitable works. Time to treat them as such.
     
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    Simply, it's a separation of church and state issue. The state is not allowed to interfere with the church. Taxation is interference. We show this by increasing taxes on things we don't like. Allowing churches to be taxed would be the first step to destroying them, which evidently you would like. There is no explicit right to charity. There is an explicit right to worship and freely express your religion.

    In case you haven't read it recently:
    Amendment I
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

    Taxation would be a law that interferes with religion, and would interfere with free exercise of religion. Taxation is no different than funding a church with public dollars, the difference being that taxation is anti-religion, and funding a church would be pro-religion. Neither are allowed.
     
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    I disagree, treating them the same as all other entities is not infringing on their ability to worship, it might cause them to not be able to afford another plane however.
     
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    Well, the SCOTUS agrees with me. And this was from the Burger court in 1970

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walz_v._Tax_Commission_of_the_City_of_New_York
     
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    I thought Beto went surfing a long time ago
     
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    He'd never do it. At least, TPTB would never let him do it. 501c3 represents far too much establishment influence over the pulpit for the establishment to ever threaten it to that extent. As you pointed out.

    I wish they would end 501c3. Most of the glitterbug churches that effectively preach political noinvolvement 'just wait for the rapture' crap would go under overnight, and we'd see a real, honest 'revival' in this nation as 'evangelicals' began individualist, pro-human activism, led by genuine believers instead of the frauds and charlatans who currently lead for the financial rewards. Beto might be too dumb to realize that, but his handlers arent.

    Beto is effectively just blustering again for attention.
     
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    and re-apply annually
     
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    he's doin what he can to keep his supporters in the game, all it takes is a few votes in key states to swing the ec in the dems favor...
     
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    again. didnt realize he was still running
     
  18. Bluesguy

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    Here like with most issues he is totally unprepared and lacks the knowledge to comment on them so he just blurts out his kneejerk what he thinks his leftist supporters want to hear, then has to start backtracking once the folly has been pointed out to him.
     
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    Do other 501 groups have to do so?
     
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    if not, they should have to, imo
     

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