Biden administration trying to eliminate existence of middle class suburbs

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    For those of you who may not know, a big part of the reason that so-called "suburban" neighborhoods exist is due to local zoning laws that limits the construction of higher density housing in these areas.

    This prevents these areas from becoming overcrowded, and it is believed also discourages lower income people from living in these areas that are occupied by mostly middle class families. This reduces crime rates in these areas, and also leads to less burden on local schools, helping to keep classroom sizes smaller. Parking availability on the side of streets can also be an issue when the housing density is too high. There are also traffic congestion issues, and children might no longer be able to play in the street when there are too many cars going by. Noise pollution issues are also a big issue.
    There is a whole host of problems when too many lower income people start moving into a neighborhood and the population density becomes higher.

    Supporters of suburbs say it helps protects these neighborhoods and makes them good places to live.
    Critics of the existence of suburbs claim it helps contribute to economic and racial segregation.


    As part of his $2.3 trillion infrastructure plan, the Biden administration is pushing local governments to allow apartment buildings in neighborhoods that are restricted to single-family homes. The administration claims it's a way to ease a national affordable housing shortage and combat racial injustice in the housing market.

    Current zoning laws that favor single-family homes, known as exclusionary zoning, have disproportionately hurt low-income people who can't afford to move to the suburbs, the administration said. Their only choice is living in crowded apartment buildings. Biden's proposal would incentivize local governments to get rid of exclusionary zoning by awarding grants and tax credits to cities that change their zoning regulations.

    While the proposal has had some bipartisan support on Capitol Hill, not everyone is on board.

    Critics claim the federal government's plan would change the landscape of towns and cities across the country and torpedo the American dream.​

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/biden-squeezing-suburbs-existence-zoning-laws

    So the more radical wing within the Democrat Party is trying to use massive federal government spending as a tool to exert pressure on local communities to eliminate zoning laws, and get rid of the legal protections that are keeping the suburbs as they are.
     
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    So now Biden is promoting class warfare.

    Here in Dallas... Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, etc... live in middle-class neighborhoods.

    Blacks and first/second generation third world immigrants have worked hard to become middle-class.

    Why does Biden and his cultural marxists want to hurt them by punishing their success ??


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    I don't think Joe Biden is really the one actually steering the ship, in this Administration.
    Susan Rice seems to be the one actually running most day-to-day things in the White House, especially when it comes to domestic policy. She was the former Right-hand assistant to President Obama.

    Let's not forget that, at 78 years, Biden is the oldest President in the White House, and probably doesn't have the mental energy to keep on top of everything that he once may have had.
     
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    President Biden is doing the right thing. He is trying to help low income people escape the ghettos. I applaud him for that.
     
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    It seems to be pitting the urban poor against the middle class, especially the middle class of more modest financial means who are probably going to take the brunt of this.

    And yes, of course there is a big racial element to this issue (though it's not all completely about that).

    What this policy (if implemented) will likely result in is middle class flight out of those areas, and the urban cores in cities will expand, creating a higher density suburban area around the city. The demographics of many cities would change. Crime rates would increase in these areas.
    It's possible work commute times might increase even more and the roads would get even more traffic congestion, when the new suburbs move even farther away from cities.

    I see a clear analogy to the field of Ecology here, certain "habitats" will expand. Read about the phenomena of forest succession.
     
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    Won't work. The suburbs will become slums and Whites will gentrify the now abandoned slums. The only one who benefits are the real estate agents.
     
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    It really is more about building white flight highways and calling them "infrastructure" that is the problem. Anyway, unless the US or my state's Supreme Court declares the restrictions unenforceable, you cannot build multi-family in my hood regardless of the zoning laws. The only other way to remove the restriction would be to buy up every lot developed or otherwise.
     
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    Or destroying middle-class neighborhoods by shipping in criminals to turn these neighborhoods into ghettos.
     
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    Are you saying ALL low income people are criminals? That is not true.
     
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    Why would crime rates automatically increase?
     
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    The type of people who earn less money and who are younger and do not have families are (as a group) statistically more likely to commit crimes.
    (Yes, there is a big racial aspect to this, but it's not just that. I notice the same patterns in all-white regions of the country)

    In addition to that, children are more likely to go on to commit crimes if they were in a small apartment with very limited space, and they were mostly left alone because their parents were gone working long hours. Children with no open space to play in immediately outside may be more likely to get into trouble.
    The sociology of crime is too complicated to fully get into here.

    People in middle class suburban homes just don't want any big apartments near them. They even get skittish when more houses in the neighborhood start becoming rentals. It brings in a different demographic, as well as overcrowding.
     
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    do suburbs have zoning laws that prevent people from building apartments on them - or is it just so far from the city most choose not to live there?

    Biden is not trying to destroy the suburbs

    this is more for smaller cities, that said, I am against it

    "As part of his $2.3 trillion infrastructure plan, the Biden administration is pushing local governments to allow apartment buildings in neighborhoods that are restricted to single-family homes. The administration claims it's a way to ease a national affordable housing shortage and combat racial injustice in the housing market."

    it's a way to lower house prices and get people to move.... that is for sure

    when triplexes go up in single-family neighborhoods, crime goes up, home prices go down
     
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    Perhaps the people in middle class neighborhoods will just have to get used to having apartments in their midst whether they like it or not. If it becomes too intolerable for them, they'll just have to move.
    We don't get everything we want in this life, not even the neighbors we want.
     
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    No I don't mean all low income people are criminals.
     

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