Biden/Harris vs Trump/Pence

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Biden / Harris or Trump / Pence ?

  1. Biden / Harris

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  2. Trump / Pence

    24 vote(s)
    64.9%
  1. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    if a white only world is your choice, tRUMP is your choice.
    If violating the constitution is your choice, tRUUMP is your choice.
    If an impeached president is your choice for trying to bribe a foreign gov't, then tRUUUMP is your choice.
     
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    Who is calling for a "white only world"?? You're constructing a racist model and then applying it to others. That's racism, as well as projection.

    Trump, overall, has done fairly well at defending/preserving the US Constitution... He's had his slip ups here and there, but is going good for the most part. Liberals, on the other hand, want to destroy the damn thing...

    He didn't try to bribe anybody (the transcripts are VERY clear on that), and the whole impeachment process was a sham, so to me, his being impeached holds no meaning. Slick Willie actually committed various crimes; Trump committed no crimes...
     
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    Fake News.

    DEMOCRATS HARDEST HIT: More jobs under Trump-Pence since May than all of Obama-Biden.

    The Great Jobs Comeback — some 9.2 million since the pandemic hit the United States in March.

    During the ENTIRE previous administration, only 8.9 million jobs were created.

    The Chinese Loosed pandemic cost some 20 million jobs, but nearly half of the loss has already been recovered as the Unstoppable American People roar back toward the record jobs of President Trump’s first three years in office.
     
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    Condor060 Well-Known Member Donor

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    Why would the NY AG try and indict Trump for Tax fraud when the IRS isn't? Or were you not aware that Trump doesn't do his taxes.

    Tax firms and Tax lawyers do Trumps returns and are liable for fraud. You might need to wish on some other star.
    This isn't gonna happen for ya.
     
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    Oh that's easy. They want to know how Trump answered question 12 on his 1040. "Did you launder money this past calendar year?"

    Trump is toast....again.
     
  6. PJO34

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    Trumpists really need to retire that tired nonsense. Anything Trumpists don't like is "fake news." You do realize the people who say that are seen as morons by normal, intelligent people.

    These aren't "new jobs." They are the recalled workers from when businesses closed down. And, the unemployment rate is still over 10% nationally. Are you sure you want Trump to run on his job creation? LOL

    Again, these are not new jobs. These are people who were furloughed and are now returning to their previous jobs.

    "The economy lost 8.5 million jobs as a result of the 2008 financial crisis. It kept shedding them until December 2009. Since that low point, Obama created 16 million jobs, an 11.6% increase. If measured that way, Obama created the third-highest total number of jobs."

    And, remember due to austerity measures, the government shredded over 600,000 federal jobs over Obama's term.

    https://www.thebalance.com/job-creation-by-president-by-number-and-percent-3863218

    So, Trump created about 4.5M jobs in his three years. He then lost about 20M due to his incompetent handling of the Trump Virus. Of those 20M, about 9.2M have been RECOVERED (not created). So, 4.5 - 20 + 9.2 = -6.3. So, Trump has so far created a total of -6.3M jobs. What a good job! Perhaps he can get back to 0 by the time his term is over.
     
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    At this point I wouldn't be surprised if the Biden campaign agrees to debates on the condition that he and his VP are not asked any questions.
     
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    At the end of December, 2008, 143,269k Americans were employed.
    At the end of December, 2016, 152,216k Americans were employed.
    The difference between those two numbers is NOT 16 million.
    Fake News:
    2008 ended with 2,775,000 Federal Workers.
    2016 ended with 2,817,000 Federal Workers.
    That's a GAIN of 42,000, not a LOSS of 600,000!

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    In a country of 350 MILLION, you think only 152,216 were working at the end of the Obama Administration? Try adding three zeros. Geez.

    152,216,000 - 143,269,000 = 8,947,000

    https://www.cleveland.com/datacentr...s-and-jobs-growth-under-other-presidents.html

    Obama's last three years were better than Trump's first three years even before Trump Chernobyl'ed the economy by baffooning his response to the covid-19 pandemic.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckj...rowth-all-beat-trumps-best-year/#69228cde6ba6

    And the 16 million (as clearly stated in my reply -- please re-read), was if Obama's count started at the bottom of the recession that began under Bush. I gave both figures: the official count, and the total count if not held responsible for the jobs lost due to the recession he did not start (as job creation is a lagging indicator of an economic recovery (i.e. jobs come back slower).

    None of this is particularly difficult to comprehend.
     
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    LOL. I would pay good money to watch Harris obliterate both Trump and Pence. The two of them have been so corrupt and inept, a fifth grader could debate them into the ground. Seriously, the Trump administration has been a complete cluster-well, you know. They are vulnerable on EVERYTHING. The spent more, screwed up more, watched more Americans die, allowed foreign aggressive countries harm America more, etc. If Biden doesn't want to debate Trump, please let me do it. I mean, Trump still brags about "passing" a dementia test, too stupid to realize the fact that he had to take a dementia test is the ballgame. I mean, no one was ever so concerned about Clinton's or Bush's or Obama's mental state where they were forced to take a dementia exam. Biden should just troll Trump repeating the five words that Trump had to remember, and the "difficult last five questions."

    I would troll Trump by asking him if he knew where he was and what time it was, etc. And if anyone asked why I was asking the questions, I would respond, Well, Trump said those were among the hardest five questions on the dementia test he was forced to take, so I wanted to make sure he knew where he was and why he was here." It would be a knock-out blow.
     
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    ~ Remember Beijing Biden wants to close the country again and do "aggressive tracking" - just like communist China.
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    And just like nearly every other developed country.

    You need better lies.
     
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    152,216k.

    k = 1,000's.

    My post is correct.
    Keep in mind that you are the one claiming that 8.9 is actually 16...
    If they aren't counted as NEW jobs when then return, then you can't count them as LOST when the employees are furloughed.
    Fake news. 8.9 additional Americans were employed at the end of his two terms.
    Fake News. The Federal government ADDED 42k, it did not LOSE 600k.
    Obama's Presidency started in January of 2009. He swore his oath on the Lincoln Bible. If he didn't want to be president, he could have refused, he asked for the job, and that's when he became responsible for his performance.
    Indeed!

    You haven't addressed your claim that the Federal Government LOST 600k jobs over Obama's presidency, where in the real world it GAINED 42k

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    Your claim deviates from the real world by 22.8%

    But hey! Biden!

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    ~ In that case Biden/Harris do indeed have the edge
     
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    Science and the success of dozens of other countries.

    Ideologically driven hatred of science in the middle of a pandemic is not sane.
     
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    Idiotic Logic in action!

    Tell Moi It Ain't so
    void of cliche & trite comments.




    :worship: LORD :pray:
     
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    Donald Trump was pumping the economy with debt. The budget deficit during every year of Trump's term and the debt growth were > 2 x GDP growth.

    Eventually, creditors will rebel and the borrowed money will dry up.

    That is equal to running a business at a loss every year which is probably what Trump Organization does.
     
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    Up to the COVID pandemic what made his Presidency one of the worst things that ever happened? What makes you want to vote Democrat and Biden?
     
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    Completely ignoring the events of this week?
     
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    That Israeli/UAE thing? That was all Obama.
     
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    1) Other countries got control of the disease, we did not.

    2) You appear to be talking about yourself.

    3) While I am a minor god of information, I prefer not to be worshipped. It's unseemly, thanks in advance.
     
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    And the result is the same. Job creation during the Obama administration was 8.9+ million jobs.

    Factcheck.org has Obama final job count at 11,572,000.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-vs-trump-pence.576816/page-2#post-1071962832

    In any event, job creation under Obama was more prolific even before Trump Chernoybl'd the economy.

    First, I did not conflate 8.9 with 16. I actually quoted the following paragraph which is simple to read and understand:

    "President Obama created 8.9 million jobs by the end of December 2016, a 6.2% increase. There were 152.3 million people employed at the end of his term. That's compared to the 143.4 million people who were working at the end of the Bush administration.

    But that doesn't give the total picture. The economy lost 8.5 million jobs as a result of the 2008 financial crisis. It kept shedding them until December 2009. Since that low point, Obama created 16 million jobs, an 11.6% increase. If measured that way, Obama created the third-highest total number of jobs."

    https://www.thebalance.com/job-creation-by-president-by-number-and-percent-3863218


    Even the numbers you provided show 8.9 million jobs were created. How is that fake news?

    Here is what I actually wrote:

    "Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke noted that these austerity measures forced the government to shed 600,000 jobs in four years. In the prior recovery, the economy added 400,000 jobs during the same period."

    https://www.thebalance.com/job-creation-by-president-by-number-and-percent-3863218

    I agree he is responsible for "his performance." What he is not responsible for are the continuing effects of the recession Bush had dumped on the country. Job creation is a lagging indicator of an economic recovery. To hold him responsible for jobs lost before his measures could take effect is unreasonable.
     
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    Not 16 million, that was fake nes,
    Fake News, it was 8.9M.
     

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