Biden just bribed progressives in the house to pass his infrastructure bill

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  1. cabse5

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    The Biden Administration just offered $450,000 per person to anyone separated from their families during the Trump Administration's Remain in Mexico policy.

    How do you feel that American tax payer money (and not Biden's or progressive's money) is being offered to those separated from their families for a bill that was scored by the CBO at 4 trillion?

    This is not a poll...I'm disgusted.
     
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    I think it's financial compensation for a terrible wrong done by an American president. And don't get the idea that is all his fu-bar performances are going to cost us.
     
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    And when Biden is done ICE will hunt those people down and separate them again via deportation.
     
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    I support protecting children from being used by coyotes and being raped. I don't support the system bungling it and losing track of who their 'parents' are while they verify that they are parents.
     
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    I think you do not understand what a bribe is

    so I guess those 200 republicans were bribed by that too?

    this was a bipartisan bill, Biden pulled off what Trump failed to do
     
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    I think both the right and the left know it was wrong to separate parents from little children without a paper trail to ever reunite them
     
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    It was progressives who didn't want the 4 trillion infrastructure bill 'cause it didn't go far enough. Now that the Biden Administration is promising payments to folks separated from their families during the Remain in Mexico policy, progressives hopped on board and passed the 4 tril infrastructure bill...BTW, that 450K per person comes to how much exactly and how much of that money came from the Biden Administration or from progressives?:roflol: That policy to offer 450K person was certainly a Biden Administration bribe to get progressives to help pass the bill.
     
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    that is not even what happened, where do you hear this stuff?
     
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    Progressives who didn't want to vote for the 4 trillion infrastructure bill voted for the 4 trillion infrastructure bill after Biden pledged to give 450K for every person disaffected from their families during the Remain in Mexico policy which is exactly what progressives are for...reparations, for example.
     
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    Personally, I think you are being very creative in connecting the dots. I doubt that one has anything to do with other.
     
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    No they won't. ICE will hang out in California, acting as glorified policememt, ready to score political points.

    The illegals will get jobs building houses and picking apples. Then they will tell all their friends in Mexico or wherever, that America is a great place to get a job and they will come here too.

    Repubs and dems will take money from lobbyists that profit from illegal labor while ignorant voters point fingers at the party of choice.
     
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    A week before November 6 (the day of the passing of the infrastructure bill in the house) Pelosi refused to bring the infrastructure bill up for a vote...The reason appears to be because there weren't enough votes to pass it in the house.

    Who opposed the bill one week before November 6 which prevented the passage of infrastructure?...GOPs (not the 13 who voted for it on Nov. 6) some moderates and progressives.

    GOPs thought there was too much in the bill (The 13 GOPs who voted for the bill always thought the bill was a fine compromise). Some moderates thought there was too much in the bill while other moderates liked the bill. Progressives didn't want to pass the bill because it didn't go far enough and progressives wanted to demand Build Back Better be linked to infrastructure. The leadership of the progressives in the house like AOC and others still didn't vote for the bill on Nov. 6 because it didn't go far enough but other progressives changed their stances and did vote for the bill.

    I know reparations for immigrants disaffected from their families didn't sway most members of the GOP to vote for the bill. I know reparations for immigrants disaffected from their families didn't sway most moderates to vote for the bill. I do know since reparations is a 'political plank' within progressivism that the 450K reparations was a peace offering from the Biden Administration to entice progressives to vote for the bill and break the logjam from the progressive leadership of AOC, for example.

    The progressives who mattered enough to pass the bill may have also thought their chances of passing infrastructure were lessening after the results of the Virginia elections, for example, but I highly doubt this since progressives are authoritarian...Authoritarians don't usually compromise unless they get something really important in return.

    BTW, the on again off again proposal to give 450K in reparations to immigrants disaffected from their families because of Remain in Mexico commenced that last week before the infrastructure bill was passed.
     
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    Just saying, you are connecting the dots you want to connect.
     
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    It's worth an investigation. Unless you're for presidents bribing congresscritters to get their pet projects passed?
     
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    Partisan investigations are useless. The left have been using partisan investigations against Trump & Co for five years now. Democrats aren't going to investigate Biden and if Republicans do, then we're right back to the partisan investigation thing, which is useless.
     
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    There is nothing political about these assumptions. My spidey senses are way tingling on this...There appear to be numerous things which don't make sense about the vote which passed infrastructure.
    (1) The passage vote was taken on Saturday a day with little to no news coverage.
    (2) The week before passage Pelosi refused to bring infrastructure up for vote because there weren't enough votes to pass.
    (3) Progressives are authoritarian (consequently they don't compromise).
    (4) AOC (one of the leaders of progressives in the house) didn't compromise but other progressives did.
    (5) Because of 4, AOC no longer has the power of the progressive leader in the house.
    (6) Pelosi is just fine with 5.
    (7) What happened in that week leading up to the passage of infrastructure which caused some progressives to compromise and vote for the bill? Answer: the provision suggested (then not suggested then suggested) by the Biden Administration to give 450K to immigrants disaffected from their families due to Remain in Mexico. I say this because one obvious 'plank' of progressivism is reparations (not for whites, of course).
    The 13 GOPs who voted for infrastructure thought the bill was always a fine compromise. No GOPs were convinced to change their minds on infrastructure because of the 450K reparation proposal. Some moderates (ok some non-progressive dems) weren't convinced to change their minds on infrastructure because of the 450K reparation proposal.
    Some progressives were convinced to change their minds on the infrastructure bill because of the lure of the 450K reparation proposal from the Biden Administration.

    I dare say the Biden Administration would've undangled the 450K reparation proposal to those immigrants who were disaffected from their families because of Remain in Mexico if the infrastructure bill passage/compromise hadn't been arranged.
     
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    There are numerous things which didn't pass the spidey sense test regarding Trump over the last four years. But, it was all biased political bullshit by the rabid Democrats. Democrats tried to make mountains out of mole hills and connected the dots from mole hill to mole hill to suit their anti-Trump agenda. I'm not in favor of either side doing this as a pretense to get rid of a legitimately elected president particularly, in my view, when the vice president would be even worse for the country if you could successfully dump the president. And, I believe the midterms will be much more favorable to the right if Biden stays in as president. You have to look at the long game.
     
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    Trump...Trump...Rump.:roflol:
     
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    Biden...Biden...Biden:roflol:

    Hey, I'm actually on your side, for the most part. Democrats lost big in Virginia and New Jersey and they lost big because they were too extreme. It would behoove the right to realize that extremism hurts you more than it helps you. Being too extreme, like the Democrats have been doing, leads to losses. Leaving Biden in office helps the right more than getting him out of the office. I would rather see Republicans clean up at the midterms. What's wrong with letting Biden fail, especially when his replacement wouldn't help the country anyway? The left stupidly seemed to think that getting rid of Trump would bring on a Democratic president and now some of the right stupidly think that getting rid of Biden will bring on a Republican president. That's just not the way it works. Getting rid of a president while in office causes the VP to be president.
     
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    You hate libertarian thinking because you hate Trump. Because of this, you aren't much better than a progressive. You certainly aren't conservative.
     
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    I don't hate Trump. I voted for Trump in 2020 and I have defended Trump for four years from the left's total nonsense. But, you are as blindly partisan as those you attack. You couldn't even see the forest through the trees that I don't hate Trump because anyone who doesn't totally agree with you 100% must be an anti-Trumper Progressive. Then I get those on the other side who think I kiss Trump's ass and bend over for him. The thing is, I AM a conservative and I want to win and you don't win by being on the extremes, which is why Democrats just lost big time in Virginia and New Jersey. Voters don't want extremists on either side but both sides can't see the forest through the trees.
     
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    You don't see Trump as the libertarian thinker he is. I assume you're authoritarian and that's why I shy away from your thinking.

    Thinking of your ID, you may be independent in your thinking but you're also uncompromising which is (IMO and in the opinions of the founders) a detriment to the US.
     
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    ya mean like they did not do when trump was president?
     
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    no. i don't see trump as a "libertarian thinker." he is a "libertine" which is quite different as any libertarian will explain.

    if trump has any philosophy at all it would be from that prototypical american philosopher, hugh hefner.
     

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