Biden Plan: Free Community College, Expanded Loan Programs

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  1. AFM

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    Mo answers to my questions ??? Again what better textbooks and better supplies ??? As a school board member you cannot name anything ??

    It was your claim that teacher unions fought for adequate supplies for teachers. Now you are saying they are not responsible ???

    It has not been proven that smaller class size improves education. The papers funded by the teachers unions and pro union organizations do. But objective studies show very little effect not statistically significant. Plus other countries with much better education results have large class sizes. Small class sizes mean more dues paying teachers which is why unions advocate for smaller class size.

    What is a cyber school ??

    Funding per student follows the student in charter schools. There is no loss per student to the public school system. Charter schools are public schools.
     
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    Biden has secured the Democratic Party’s nomination ??? Biden is campaigning against Trump ??? He is indeed sleepy Joe.
     
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    If Biden s not a foe, why is Trump campaigning against him?
     
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    Gee, what textbooks would they want? How about some that aren't ten years old & worn out? How about those textbooks?

    They want the schools to supply more. It is not the union's job to provide school supplies.

    It has been proven smaller class sizes improves learning.

    If you don't know what a cyber school is perhaps you should get better informed.

    And really, more of your stupid union BS> I live in a Republican are & the School board is almost all Republican. The teachers are mostly Republican. But according to you, the schools are all run by union Democrats.

    You people that post on this site are the most uninformed people who post stuff pulled from your backsides.





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    bedpans - changing sheets, mopping the floor to brain surgery.
     
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    I'm sure there are plenty of people that can come up with more intermediary steps. Cert exams, labs, duties that include dispensing medications, etc.
     
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    personally I think community college costs are competitively priced and not in need of serious taxpayer subsidies, I'm not fully aware of the total costs for technical stuff but I don't think its outrageous so i'll leave my opinion at that.

    Also many (not all ) states have some form of college discount/credit system where good students save a bit. We utilized this to our advantage in Florida which saved maybe 15% of the overall costs along with the in-state tuition savings, doesn't seem like a lot but that is maybe 12-13K savings which adds up. Our total costs including food, room & board, tuition, books totaled up to about 80K at a Major university for an engineering degree, without that benefit it would have been in the mid 90's. Was it worth it? heck yes. Would it have been worth it to go out of state and add 20-30%? Heck no. As it is the school loans ended up being close to 60K but easily affordable for someone gainfully employed, actually most people that have a decent job can not only afford it but can afford to pay extra assuming they live somewhat frugally in other parts of their life.

    Most of the stories that some of the news organizations I've seen (CBS mostly, they did several spotlights) have been pretty pathetic in their attempt to prove that college is too expensive, generally they proved that college students make bad decisions, first they toss the homeless student in there to make us sympathetic, the stories IMO basically showed that many college grads made absolutely terrible education decisions, they traveled too far, spent too much, and went after the wrong degree's, then the news person tries to convince me that it should be the responsibility of the taxpayer to help these fools. NO, NO, and NO.
     
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    The intermediary steps are upper level biology, mats,science lessons which you can't do if you're mopping floors and changing beds. You need to learn the basics of this stuff between 13 and 18 and then another 10 years of university level stuff. I do not think it's a wise idea to force highly intelligent 13 years old into choosing their future already by have them doing unskilled labour in hospitals.
     
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    Aptitude tests could fast track the best candidates so they're not doing as much of the manual labor. Seems fair and productive that they still do some.
    Some will leave the medical field as they grow old and decide they want to do something else. Others will stick with it. Still others will move from other jobs into the medical field. But at this time, it is far too time consuming and expensive to become a medical doctor. They're old and broke before they can even start living. This has to change.
     
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    The education SYSTEM we current have not EDUCATION itself. Learn the difference.
     
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    And teachers are more than unions. Republicans use unions as an excuse by vilifying them & I see they duped you.

    What reason can you give not to support the public education system outside of blaming unions & trying to blame liberals.

    What is your solution? Let me guess privatize it.
     
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    I don't know that to be true. Since the court said the union could not force them to pay dues I believe the membership and the money they receive has fallen. But's it not about them it is about the education the children are receiving. Has it gotten better with more teachers in unions? We are probably at historic lows now for academic achievement. Teachers are not accomplishing the job. Who's been duped? We HAVE to try something different, something drastically different and find out what works and a private, competitive system just might come up with that. What's your solution? Let me guess more unions and more money.
     

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