Biden says no tax increases for incomes under $400k- It's not true.

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  1. LangleyMan

    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

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    You're pushing real socialism where government takes over production. It may start with generous benefits for average folks, but ends up in a screwed up economy that can't sustain the help it initially provided.
    Preventing inflation and especially deflation is important. MMT--essentially printing money and handing it to people--presents a risk of inflation.
    Ever thus.
     
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    Biden has never said he'll repeal only parts of the Trump tax cuts. When he says only those making 400k a year and more are the only ones who will see a tax increase, he's lying.
     
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    The Orange Oaf said he wouldn't cut taxes for rich people, but then turned right around and gave 85% of the cuts to people making more than $400,000 per year. If he had kept his word upload_2020-10-28_7-25-26.gif upload_2020-10-28_7-25-43.gif upload_2020-10-28_7-25-51.gif , tax cuts for people making less than $400,000 could have been six times higher.
     
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    You are incorrect. It's best to ignore DNC talking points.
     
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    No, I saw and heard the Liar-in-Chief make the promise, again and again.

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    Keep an eye on China over the next decade. "Socialism with Chinese characteristics" ie open markets at the service of the people.

    MMT "hands money" to the public sector, not "people". The distinction is vital for an understanding of MMT.

    And ever inadequate, in Western bankster-funded free markets.
     
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    China? Showing your true colors?
    Codswallop. Your version of MMT is akin to the old Soviet action of having women with brooms in make-work street sweeping jobs.

    Still, street sweeping, or my recently widowed grandfather in the 1930s leaving my 11-year-old father with neighbors so he could cut brush for the CCC, it isn't the best way to implement MMT.
     
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    Biden says no tax increases for incomes under $400k- It's not true.


    He’s lying. If he wins the election you’ll see.

    Of course a lot of that depends on what happens in congressional elections.


     
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    Just pointing out that the Chinese people themselves are now rich enough to see what is happening in the dysfunctional, blind-leading-the-blind, adversarial, two-party democracies with their entrenched disadvantage; so ideologues like Pompeo and yourself won't be able to run around the world preaching to the Chinese and other nations about the the wonderful 'freedom' of democracy. That lie is now exposed for the self-serving filth it is. (Look at Rome and Philadelphia

    "My version" of MMT?

    For your information, MMT guarantees above poverty employment for all who want it, via government operating as employer of last resort (ELR).

    BECAUSE there are sufficient resources and productive capacity to implement that policy.

    Now, public parks DO need maintenance. And the elderly do need assistance in their own homes. What's your problem?

    The private sector is manifestly incapable of either supplying jobs for all, or even properly funding desirable public activity ie, non money-profit-based activity.

    Hey, now you are just showing your ignorance of MMT. The Job Guarantee pool of workers varies according to the requirements of productive private sector activity. And btw child care can and should be provided free by the state, when "all hands are on deck". That's MMT.
     
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    If Trump wins, the blame will be your economic orthodoxy that tolerated - for decades - the damage caused by the development of the "rust belt" .

    And if Biden wins, your economic orthodoxy will do nothing to fix it.

    Pathetic.
     
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    You might try not making up positions for me.
     
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    See my post on the other thread.....
     
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    As I said, stop misrepresenting my views.
     
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    Why? If that's your choice, and that's their choice? Are you arguing that people ought not be allowed to choose lower wages?
     
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    Right, but what about all those people living in places like California who make more than $400k? You know, the folk who fund those states? A huge proportion of them are just going to leave.
     
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    No one 'implements' it because it's NOT FREAKING POSSIBLE. Your model depends upon the bizarre notion that the poor are simple and pure creatures, just waiting for a lucky break. The reality is that the poor can be total @ssholes just like anyone else. Lazy, unmotivated, exploitative, greedy, etc etc etc. Given that, there are only two ways you can ensure everyone is fully employed:

    1) tell them if they don't work they won't eat.

    or

    2) at gunpoint.

    Which one will you choose?
     
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    This is sad, and sadly not surprising. They depend so much on fear, division, and despair.
     
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    It's the other way around, actually. The 'benefits for average folk' come long after the work. That's assuming it's to be sustainable and therefore useful to humanity.

    Doing it the way they want to - spending up big before you've saved the money - will result in rapid collapse, beyond which EVERYONE suffers. That's how you know they're far too stupid and dangerous to be in charge of something like socialism. It's like putting children in charge of the candy store.
     
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    Because this is what's been going on for 41 years.

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    Do you think full-time workers choose to get a 10% raise over 41 years? What about part-time workers?
    Are you kidding?

    How much longer do you think average folks are going to put up with the ripoff?
     
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