Biden to announce vaccine mandate for companies with more than 100 employees

You can't move the goal post now. You were talking about who are spreading the virus. It's not limited to those who are hospitalized which is a very small percentage. So since they are not counting breakthrough cases who don't require hospitalization, how you can possibly tell us that it's mainly the unvaccinated who are spreading the virus. You even stated a percentage, which I'm pointing out is impossible to know since one group is not counted. It's really that simple.

 

557, I am not advocating for abortion. I am simply pointing out that IF the reason anti-choice people have for supporting policies that criminalize abortion and/or those who assist a woman in obtaining a safe abortion in a medical setting is "the right to life" that concern should also apply to those lives once the umbilical cord is cut.

Why does a life ONLY matter in the womb?
Why do we say we believe in and uphold certain values but don't do that in practice?
Why are some lives "more valuable" than others?
Why are we allowing our society to sexualize little girls?
Why do we turn a blind eye to all the factors that lead to unwanted pregnancies?

Why do we stand up for our own rights while stomping on other people's rights?

Being part of the solution is NOT "normalizing" indiscriminate sex or abortion. They already exist. It's already happening so to remove the right to a safe abortion in a sterile environment is NOT going to *stop* indiscriminate sex, unwanted pregnancies or abortion. All it will do is take us back to pre-Roe v. Wade where women sought out *any means to end their unwanted pregnancies* often leading to their own unintentional suicides, rampant infections, some life-threatening and back-alley abortionists.

Clinton was forced to fire Dr. Elders because she spoke openly and HONESTLY about the use condoms in not only helping to lower the rate of unwanted pregnancies but as a means to slow the spread of sexually transmitted diseases. The whole country clutched their pearls although she was 100% right. She was demonized for NOT playing this game we play in the USA that every woman is a virgin on her wedding day and only rape and incest victims seek out abortions. That is total BS and she didn't deserve that at all.

There are posts in this forum that completely gloss over and even congratulate women for using their sexual prowess to get ahead in the workplace. Not only does that displace truly qualified candidates for positions and promotions, it's hypocritical.

There are posts in this forum that outright excuse rapists and rape is STILL the only crime in which the victim has to prove they did NOT cause it.

We can't address a problem until we admit there is a problem. Things don't go away because we don't want to talk about them. They fester. They lead to dysfunction. They lead to countless other problems. Until we face our own hypocrisy, as a nation, this will ALWAYS be a problem. And, if we're not willing to do that, nobody has the right to dictate how someone else who IS willing to face facts deals with those facts.

 

Sure. I understand your position. We both care about life no matter which stage it’s in—beginning to end.

I guess because we are a society based on instant gratification. It shows in our attitudes towards consumerism and our attitudes towards life.

Plain old human nature it seems.

I certainly don’t want coat hanger abortions. I want teen girls that never want to have to make the decision to abort or not. I want teen boys to respect women enough to never put one in the position where the decision has to be made.

Well, contraception is certainly a logical solution. One seemingly so simple you wouldn’t need government involvement to facilitate. But Americans aren’t real adept at figuring this stuff out on their own. Again, you know I’m for honesty so see no reason to fire someone for giving information. I’ll have to read up on that history. Janet Reno and Monica L. apparently stole Elder’s thunder—I don’t remember much about her.

Yep.

I agree. But all anyone really wants to talk about (not you) is legality of abortion. Laws are easy. Solving complex problems that make laws necessary is hard.

 

because you asked "Do you think the *average* employee can afford to pay hundreds of dollars for testing"

so I asked "do you think women can all afford to go to another state to get an abortion?"

they are both the same, both a nanny government choosing for you

 

disagree, it will happen eventually, and most teen males would love to have a 3-month shot that would prevent them from risking child support

 

yep, they are the same thing, the abortion mandate and the vaccine mandate, both nanny government telling us what to do, if you support one, you support both

 

Biden thinks he's a DICTATOR! But he's about to get a SERIOUS reality check!

 

nope, you are just not reading my posts, I do not support the vaccine mandate or the abortion mandate

but if one supports one, why not the other? they are both doing the same thing, letting government choose for you

 

Fair enough. If you believe giving three choices that are not choices the individual would make of their own volition is wrong we agree.

I prefer not to do a wrong thing just because someone else does a wrong thing.

 

but you agree both are wrong correct?

I believe sometimes people only see the wrong when the other side does it

 

Obtaining an illegal abortion in Texas or traveling to another state to have an abortion is a one-time transaction.

Getting charged to test at whatever schedule an employer decides is, at this time, indefinite.

I college student I hired last year just moved into the dorms where the vaccination is required. Commuter students have to test EVERY time they set foot on campus. My guess is, like with the employers in this topic, to make it as inconvenient as possible so people will get the vaccine just to avoid it. I also don't understand the point because vaccinated people can and do transmit the virus so either (1) NOBODY has to get tested regularly, or (2) EVERYBODY has to get tested regularly. The decision makers shouldn't be able to discriminate against the unvaccinated by singling them out for testing.

However, you are correct. All of it is way too much government overreach and fear is a tremendous motivator.

Men don't like doing extra stuff. That's just the way it is. The way it's always been and the way it will always be.

But, let's revisit this when you and I are in our respective nursing homes and see where we're at with this.

 

Of course. If we want personal freedoms we must reciprocate.

 

depends on your choice in both instances now, doesn't it

the vaccine is free....

"Men don't like doing extra stuff. That's just the way it is. The way it's always been and the way it will always be.'

this is true, but as you say, fear is a tremendous motivator, and 18 years of child support is enough to make many men wish there was a depo provera for men, or a capsule they could inject under their skin for longer....

fear of losing ones job could make them get the vaccine

fear of not being able to get an abortion could cause people to use more reliable means of birth control even when they do not plan to have sex

 

What about people that have contraindications for the vaccine(s)?

ETA: Nothing in life is free except unconditional love.

 

what about rape victims..... or where the potential mother's health is at risk?

see, this is why this should be a personal choice and not the government deciding for us.. in either case

 

We're on the same team. I think anybody opposed to abortion should have to do so many hours each month in groups homes (orphanages), juvenile detention centers and/or family law courts. Sure, some might walk away with the same opinions on the abortion debate but, at the very least, they are giving something in a system that is completely broken.

I don't know of anything the government hasn't messed up so I ALWAYS lean toward them staying the hell away from important stuff. Their waters are too murky and their hands are too greedy. We need to keep them busy with coloring books and such; no business in people's business like that.

 

so agree, they should be there for us when we ask for help, not force it on us

 

I agreed with 4,398,674,876 posts ago.

 

I meant I "soooo agree"... guess that could have been read either way

 

Nothing is free and one of the penalties of the vaccine is possible death.

 

one of the penalties of wearing a seat belt is possible death too, yet the mandate still exists

again, I do nto support vaccine mandates, but I support the vaccine

just like I do not support seatbelt mandates, but I support wearing seatbelts

and don't forget, one of the penalties for forced childbirth is potential death too

 

More than 80% of those dying from Covid are unvaccinated and that is even after the majority of adults are vaccinated hence that 80% is from a smaller pool.

But hey, you will ignore this once again

 

The numbers are all over the place. We keep very unscientific records on this.

 

No they are not. Hospitals keep records of those who died from Covid and whether they were vaccinated or not

 

6% died of strictly Covid according to CDC numbers. A study found 40%to 45% were in the hospital for other reasons and incidentally tested positive for Covid.