Biden to impose $200 Gun Tax

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  1. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    You see the word "Arms" in the Constitution....You also don't see the word "rally" or "protest" in the Constitution you see the word "assemble"...
     
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    Weaponry is the definition. And Fentanyl can be used as a weapon. But whatever.
    Currently I cant think of any but for a time, speech, and freedom were. IE Virginia with no swearing law or pay a fine. And West Virginia where you had to afford your freedom due to vagrancy laws.

    I just thought of one, Child support. A tax for children. Especially in cases where the mother owes the state so the father is just paying the state. So they tax some peoples freedom through their children essentially.
     
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    You are so naive toward history, mate. Americans have the 2nd Amendment because of England.
     
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    Then we invent hate crimes where you can be arrested for thinking something. However, throw fire bombs at the police and it's just peaceful protesting.
     
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    Welcome to the Democrat party Brothel, and have a good time!
     
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    I'm not talking about historical laws I'm talking about the here and now at the end of 2020. America had all sorts of cooky laws throughout it's history that make no sense.

    Child support isn't the same thing, that argument would work if the government had a child tax meaning you had to pay up before you were allowed to give birth to a child. Or if you get a fine or your taxes withheld by the IRS if you had a kid without permission or something. Government isn't saying you have to pay a federally mandated tax in order to be allowed to birth children, it's saying if you have kids then both parents have to financially support them and if you aren't legally married where they assume you are doing so then they will make sure you do it in the form of child support. That's a state thing though for the most part. Child support is designed to make sure this actual living human being is being taken care of. But I agree, the father paying the state because the mom owes the state is stupid, the money is for the child (theoretically) not the state. Yet the state is likely paying the mother welfare to support the child which it gathers from taxes so I guess in their eyes it sort of balances out in that regard.

    In regards to the definition of what is covered under "arms" under the Constitution no drugs are not covered. ANYTHING can be used as a weapon but the 2nd Amendment doesn't cover everything. I don't have a Constitutional Right to own my flat screen TV even though I could pick it up and bash someone over the head with it if I so desired. My TV is not covered under the Constitution, the guns I have are.
     
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    Where has someone been arrested for thinking something?
     
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    What do you think a hate crime is?
     
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    You have claimed this proposal is to fund the government. You’ve also said a ban would “work” as well. Please state what the point of your proposal of tax credits for not owning a certain firearm is. Surely there is some point to YOUR proposal.
     
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    Yup. I have zero fear of AR owners. Every day I fear reckless SUV drivers.
     
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    You have to actually commit a crime in order for it to be a hate crime. Simply thinking something or hating somebody isn't a crime that you can be arrested for. If you have an example of somebody being arrested for that recently then please share.

    Now as far as tacking on an extra "charge" of "hate" on top of the crime already committed because the victim was a minority or something yeah those cases are stupid. The crime itself is where the charges should come from, there shouldn't be extra charges tacked on for beating up black vs white people or whatever.

    But anybody can gather up them and their buddies and go hold a rally in a park with a bunch of signs saying "Blacks back to Africa!" or whatever and there is no federal law against that. There is no crime for thinking something or even assembling together under the banner of "hate". The crime comes from acting upon it.
     
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    You should certainly fear the man who owns both an AR-15 and an SUV. He wields power not only over your mortal being, but over the life or death of the entire planet as well. :)
     
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    No I did not say a ban would work. We cant ban guns in America. There are too many.
    The point of my proposal is just a correction to the rights propaganda to fuel gun sales from the gullible.

    Im simply telling everyone this is not a gun ban. Democrats cant take your guns from your home.
     
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    Democrats couldn’t even if they tried.
     
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    Fair enough. I dont disagree.

    I honestly dont think this tax will see the light of day anyway. I really think its just fear mongering.
     
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    I know.
    What iv been trying to tell you people.
     
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    I mean they would get shot if they tried to physically take them. Democrats are wise to not poke the stick at the sleeping giant too much.
     
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    Trumps the one who actually banned something.
    Seems like if its gonna happen its gonna happen from someone you guys trust.
     
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    Well whatever the reason behind this proposal is it's having the complete opposite effect as is always the case when new gun legislation is proposed. Our gun shelves are bare and so are the ammo shelves. The belief of civil unrest over COVID as well as the election uncertainty has increased the number of gun owners in the US by orders of magnitude. It has also caused previous gun owners to purchase more guns and virtually sweep the ammo shelves clean. Last month, at least in my neck of the woods, we finally started to recover from the COVID ammo shortage and the shelves were getting restocked. Not to pre-COVID levels but at least you could FIND ammo although there was a 2 box limit. After the election the shelves were bare again and have been completely bare for this entire month and even the guns themselves are gone. I went to my local gun shop while in town yesterday just to browse around and they had nothing in there and they ALWAYS have AR's in stock even throughout this pandemic. I thought it was a Black Friday thing and the owner said nope, they've been out for weeks and if I want one I need to get on the wish list.

    These aren't first time gun owners doing this, I live in GUN country, one of the top 5 most heavily armed counties in the US. These are folks who already owned ARs and AKs who saw the election and said oh hell no and went out and bought the rest of the stock "just in case" these guns are made illegal again. And took the ammo with them. So if the proposal is designed to reduce the amount of ARs in the hands of citizens then that backfired big time. If it's designed to gain money for stimulus then that'll fail miserably as well because if you think that the type of folks who just bought 5 AR-15s as a middle finger to the new President are going to admit they have them in the form of paying a $200 tax for each one then you are sorely mistaken I believe.

    As I jokingly said yesterday, just like that tens of millions of Americans lost their guns in a boating accident or while out in the bush. These folks ain't paying no $200 tax for their guns they don't care what the government says and since these are all unregistered guns with no paper trail there is literally nothing the government can do about it except ask nicely and hope people comply.
     
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    I'm a Law Abiding citizen, have no Mental issues, own an AR-15 and you have no reason to fear me. If you are a Criminal, wishing to do harm upon my Family, Friends, Dog or Self, YES! you certainly have reason to Fear me.
     
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    What, bump stocks? Are you serious? Those things are practically useless anyway. Thanks Trump...I guess. :roflol:
     
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    And even then you can still find them if you really want them.
    Bans simply dont work.
    Drug bans, gun bans, abortion bans, etc...Waste of time.
     
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    So then what exactly is the practical reason for this tax proposal then? Nobody is going to pay it and it's not going to make the guns magically disappear so why is this even a proposal? Is he trying to appease his gun fearing supporters or something by "doing something"?
     
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    Trump supports gun control; one of the many things that I disagreed with him on. But that’s beside the point. The reasoning behind banning bump stocks is what caused many of us gun owners to laugh out loud. The left suggested that the Vegas snipers were using bump stocks on their sniper rifle; anyone that knows basic physics would understand why you don’t put a bump stock on a sniper rifle. :roflol:
     
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    Honestly, I really think its just for show at this point.
    I would be surprised if anything gets done, especially with Trumps judges on the bench.

    But then like I said. It would be from guys you trust right?
     
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