MOD WARNING Gee, you got the code from the DSM. How cute, when it is NOT what has to be sent in for insurance claims. These are the codes used to get paid: Psychiatric diagnostic evaluation Psychotherapy 90832 Psychotherapy, 30 minutes with patient and/or family member 90834 Psychotherapy, 45 minutes with patient and/or family member 90837 Psychotherapy, 60 minutes with patient and/or family member 90845 * Psychoanalysis 90846 (intake) * Family psychotherapy without the patient present 90847 * Family psychotherapy, conjoint psychotherapy with the patient present 90849 * Multiple-family group psychotherapy 90853 * Group psychotherapy (other than of a multiple-family group)Interactive complexity add on code 90785 Add on code to be used in conjunction with codes for primary service: psychiatric diagnostic evaluation (90791) psychotherapy (90832, 90834, 90837) ; and group psychotherapy 90853) Psychotherapy for crisis 90839 Psychotherapy for crisis, first 60 minutes 90840 Add on for each additional 30 minutes of psychotherapy for crisis, used in conjunction with code 90839
Do you still believe what you said in the other thread : """If they get pregnant through their own negligence and have an abortion, they ARE ANIMALS. """
He'll dodge....so keep asking it. (And save the post and the link...in case he tries to deny he "ever said that.") As usual, watch for the male "pro-lifer" who makes a misogynistic comment once? to do it again. And as we've already discussed, we know the basis for their views on abortion....and their views on women in general.
I believe that women who have abortions for convenience are no different than animals. That is why we have to counsel them with EMPATHY rather than Sympathy.
No dodge! You are wrong. As usual you twist the meaning of my words to make like you have the moral edged in this discussion. YOU DON'T! I never dodge, I've answered all questions and I stand by my opinions of morality. Accusations to the contrary are simply bait and inflammatory. Do we need the moderator to judge some more? We also know your views on abortion; that it is ok to murder a baby in the womb just for convenience. Mother and baby in the womb have equal right to life.
NO, this is your exact quote; """""If they get pregnant through their own negligence and have an abortion, they ARE ANIMALS. """ No real psychologist would ever say that....it is disgusting in the extreme.........Your words here were NOT twisted.....it is exactly your quote....
Then you believe that if death is threatening the pregnant woman, she must still take her chances because "Mother and baby" (sic) have an EQUAL right to life?
Quote Originally Posted by Vegas giants View Post Abortion seems to the only crime that requires no punishment. Hilarious. And PAS is coded as 123.01 Made up diagnosis. Lol"""""""" Here's my reply, Vegas giants: Oh, they "feel bad" so they are "punished" ....and the MILLIONS of women who have an abortion and only feel relief get off scot free!!!!!
Those are CPT codes (Current Procedural Terminology) describing the therapy that a psychologist might perform. After some number of sessions a psychologist would have to register a diagnostic code to satisfy the insurance company. That is what I meant by "diagnostic code."
Bolding mine.....do you need the moderator to fight your fights? Inflammatory is insisting that women are murderers who murder babies.....especially when abortion is legal (NOT murder) and science and law say it's a FETUS that is aborted. Inflammatory is calling women animals.....or did you think that since they're animals it's OK to call them whatever you want?
Disingenuous Whine! I have repeatedly discussed abortion for convenience. Every reply involves that concept. Twisting words and meaning is really not the cry of intelligent discourse. - - - Updated - - - Not at all. Had you been keeping up with the thread I have always discussed abortion for convenience. Abortion to prevent the mother's death is self defense. Read the thread before making false accusations.
HOW am I twisting these words of YOURS :"""""If they get pregnant through their own negligence and have an abortion, they ARE ANIMALS. """ They only have ONE meaning.
As I said, DSM codes are NOT the codes used for claiming insurance payment. Feel bad? No! Suffer from PTSD, PAS, DEPRESSION, SLEEP DISORDERS, ET AL is their punishment. Yep! Their immorality will catch up with them eventually.
Wow, I agree with your more descriptive comment. How about that, we agree. Sometimes there must be clarification beyond the CPT codes. Those codes would be DSM codes as I have described many times;like depression; 296.3x, 311, PTSD 309.89. Those being the more common they are all I remember, but there are other individual codes which if you want to know them, look them up yourself. Here is a chart reflecting the various findings of a number of studies; some low incidence and some high incidence. Add the possible symptoms together and it becomes serious. http://afterabortion.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Table-of-Findings1.jpg
You are leaving out the many times I have asserted ABORTIONS FOR CONVENIENCE, taking one quotation without considering my continuous discussion of abortion for convenience. Shame on you. Yes, as it pertains to all of the meanings specified by me. One specific whine about a quote is disingenuous at best and arrogantly wrong as well. So stuff it!
Demeaning women is not how anyone who is responsible for professional treatment would ever refer to them.
So you don't believe murderers should be arrested, charged, tried and sentenced..........we should let murders go free because you believe that their "immorality will catch up with them" ? I don't think society will buy that.... most people prefer that dangerous criminals like murderers are incarcerated to keep people safe from them. - - - Updated - - - ALL abortions are for convenience. What has THAT got to do with you calling women animals """:"""""If they get pregnant through their own negligence and have an abortion, they ARE ANIMALS. """ - - - Updated - - - No REAL psychologist ever would........
Considering that it would be an VIOLATION of the APA Code of Ethics to utter denigrating and degrading comments about patients under treatment it is doubtful that anyone doing so would be allowed to remain in the profession. http://www.apa.org/ethics/code/
Where is joakeem? The biggest lie IMO is that pro-lifers actually care about the precious human beings they pretend to stand up for. If the effort goes beyond holding a sign or wearing a T-shirt, they wont do it. Pro-lifer: "I care about these precious human beings, but not enough to actually provide care for them." It is sickening to hear them talk about protecting human life when they do nothing about it. Their efforts are for self gratification; nothing more. Wear your "Holier than thou" hat with pride!
The should be demeaned. I don't tell them how I feel as I counseled them based on emphatic counseling. If you don't like that stuff it.
- - - Updated - - - So you admit you CAN NOT bill for PAS. And why??? Because no one recognizes that actually pays for that kind of made up diagnosis. LOL
Are you now admitting that you were fully aware that you had a conflict of interest and might do harm and yet you still deliberately chose to violate your professional code of ethics rather than take the reasonable steps to refer these women to someone else? Is that a fair representation of what you just posted? If not then can you explain how you didn't violate your code of ethics?
""""The should be demeaned""" I take it you mean "they" should be demeaned. If I thought you were really a psychologist I would say that's unethical. What would be your purpose in demeaning them by calling them animals? Is that your way of helping them feel better so they won't commit suicide? Doesn't sound like that would help them at all and no psychologist would do that...
Of course no therapist of any kind would do that. AS A THERAPIST....you would not demean the Orlando killer, or hitler or Charles manson. That is not your role. And if you think it is you are in the wrong business. I worked with sex offenders who did horrible crimes....and I never demeaned them.
