Bikers descend on Sturgis rally with few signs of pandemic

It is beyond silly. It is the kind of silly that makes people who believe that nonsense violent.

And yet you "accept it" ( "I'd certainly want someone to fight them off...huh?)even while talking out of both sides of your mouth...as does Trump

 

Sorry if you fail to see the humor. President Trump is trying to work Covid, the economy, relations with every other country in the world, participate as the star of his reelection campaign, and that reporter's top-of-mind question was "What do you think about the support from some obscure conspiracy group who are talking about satanic blood rituals?"

 

Humor?

This **** is funny to you?

Whatever. Go tell jokes in the corner

 

It's more fun talking with you, but okie dokie, I'll move my computer and keyboard to the corner of the office.

 

OK, the predictable consequence of the Sturgis rally has started (click on the words Associated Press below for the link):

"State health departments have reported at least 103 cases of COVID-19 from people in South Dakota, Minnesota, Wisconsin Nebraska, Montana, North Dakota, Wyoming, and Washington who attended the 10-day Sturgis Motorcycle Rally in Sturgis, South Dakota, according to the Associated Press."

 

Do you take any solace from the fact that of those 103 cases, way less than .3 of the infected individuals will die?

 

and?

people went out and about and caught the virus.

Do you know that folks who are masking up are still becoming infected? What exactly is your point?

 

First of all you are assuming an IFR that I believe to be grossly underestimated, for various reasons I've mentioned elsewhere. Second, the IFR among bikers may very well be higher than for the general population as judging from pictures and from just crossing them on the roads, obesity seems to be very prevalent among them. One then also wonders about hypertension, diabetes, alcoholism, heavy smoking, etc. You do know that people with just one underlying condition have a much higher IFR, and people with two or three have a massively higher one, right? Third, recent evidence has shown concerning ongoing heart inflammation (myocarditis) in patients who have recovered from COVID-19, with markers that match those of other inflammatory lesions that historically have the worst prognosis, with a high potential to lead to heart failure in a few years, and this concerning finding, still unconfirmed by large studies (it was found in a study with 100 random patients), hit 78% of the patients, despite a total absence of symptoms, of which most didn't have any underlying medical condition, and two thirds of them (67) only had mild or moderate cases of COVID-19 that didn't even require hospitalization; they were also youngish with a median age of 49, 14 of standard deviation. So clearly the IFR is not the whole story with this virus. Fourth, it's not just these bikers, but also people they will inevitably infect in their communities of origin.

So, come again?

No, I'm not taking any solace from this. I believe that the Sturgis rally was incredibly imprudent, just as much as massive maskless protest. We as a people are acting stupidly in the midst of this pandemic and we are paying a price, and will continue to pay a price as time goes by.

 

Sure, people are still getting infected because masks do not protect 100% and were never advertised as such. Masks do decrease to a certain degree (variable with the kind of mask and how well the wearer uses them and how closely they fit on the face) the risks of contagion, as demonstrated by 29 studies I've posted here. My point is that in the middle of a freaking pandemic it is unwise to gather 250,000 maskless people in one location. It's not just the masks, but also the sheer number of people in close proximity, going into bars and restaurants, etc. I predict that many people will die from this imprudent behavior, and those might be people who would otherwise have survived if they didn't do that, and if a few months later they accepted a vaccine, and then partied safely the next time this event came along.

It's a pretty simple point, and very easy to get from my posting. Are you having any trouble understanding it? Do you need any further explanation?

 

might some who got infected at Sturgis die from Covid; who knows. You sound ecstatic at the thought, but I don't automatically buy into the premise that some will die. I also do not subscribe to the idea of the force-field mask being the end all and be all. Hygiene is more effective like with all viruses

 

There's so much wrong in what you wrote here, I'd have to parse it word by word....

SMH at how many people are staying intentionally ignorant. We'll pay the price as a country. Some of you seem delighted that it's killing off all of our elderly population. At some point it will dawn on all of you that we've merely replaced them with way too many younger people who will suffer lifelong health conditions as a result. The costs are currently incalculable.

 

Your idea that I'm ecstatic at people dying is preposterous. I'm a healthcare worker whose vocation and lifetime professional activity is made of trying to heal and prevent disease (or manage it when the former are not possible) and try to ease and comfort pain an suffering. Almost my entire posting here on this Forum is geared towards raising awareness and knowledge of real dangers, so that people are prudent and take good care of themselves. I have NEVER posted in support of mask mandates (except in ONE post in response to an extreme hypothetical situation; that's one in 764 and counting, and only applied to that hypothetical catastrophic situation). I've always been for an educational campaign so that people can make up their minds about masks and learn what kinds are effective and how to wear them in effective and appropriate ways so that they don't backfire. I have NEVER implied that masks are the end all and be all. Much the opposite, I've warned people about the need for masks to be ONE of the measures they implement, and I've mentioned multiple times that simply for the sake of wearing a mask, people should not abandon other precautions such as social distancing, eye protection, hand hygiene, and avoidance of crowded indoors spaces if possible. Now, about dying, there's been a steady percentage of people (although small) who do die when they contract COVID-19, and especially considering the incidence of obesity among bikers which increases the risks, it is entirely predictable that some people will die from this exposure, which is regrettable and I lament, instead of rejoicing like you assume.

 

that is good to hear. Given the way masked-up people behave be it pulling it aside, touching items and then their nose inside the mask etc, they'd be better "operating without a net" and go back to washing their hands and not going out and about if they are sick

 

well, we await with baited breath over what was so wrong as you claimed

 

Sure, but they'd be even better off if they were taught how to do it properly. I do agree that wearing masks wrongly and becoming over-confident just because people are wearing loosely a flimsy and ineffective mask is likely to backfire on them. I'm appalled at the fact that we don't see a public health educational campaign on TV here to teach these things to the population, while on international satellite TV stations I subscribe to, it's common to see such educational vignettes. In this country public health is obviously a low priority. In those other countries, judging by their news and TV commentary, adopting these measures of public health is done as a matter-of-fact, well-accepted and non-politicized issue, so that everybody can learn how to best protect themselves. In our country and a couple of others (Brazil comes to mind), politicians, pundits, and political activists of various ideological stripes made of masks a political hot potato, which almost certainly has contributed to increased mortality and morbidity. It's interesting to notice that the two countries where this has turned into the most charged political conundrum, the USA and Brazil (their president undermined mask use all the time and even sabotaged it by vetoing a bill from their Congress allocating fund to distribute masks for free to disadvantaged populations), are the ones with the biggest numbers of cases and deaths. Sure, just a correlation, but suggestive, nevertheless.

 

Ok. Sure.

might some who got infected at Sturgis die from Covid; who knows. We know. They will. No guessing needed.

You sound ecstatic at the thought, Nobody is happy that people are dying.

but I don't automatically buy into the premise that some will die. How much more data do you need?

I also do not subscribe to the idea of the force-field mask being the end all and be all. Nobody has ever made such a ridiculous claim.

Hygiene is more effective like with all viruses We need every tool in the arsenal.

 

no, you do not KNOW that some will die. You BELIEVE that some may, but you do not know

 

Your inability to extrapolate is noted.

 

South Dakota cases are rising rapidly and the start of the rapid rise can be traced back to the rally

 

Too bad the population in that state is older, and doesn't have a large hospital infrastructure.

Many of the COVID cases will be taken to other states to spread pandemic farther.

And so it goes....

 

Oh lordy, what is we gonna do?

 

In many cases

DIE

 

South Dakota has more hospital beds per capita than any other state.
https://www.beckershospitalreview.c...ed-by-hospital-beds-per-1-000-population.html

 

And they're most likely gonna need em

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

323 infections yesterday