Bikers to stage anti-Islam rally outside Phoenix mosque

I support what they are trying to do but not the way they are doing it. They don't need to stand outside of a mosque with their guns but if they do it would be funny as hell if one gets spooked and they take each other out. Bunch of dumb dead bikers is no less to the world.

 

Actually I'm not sure you understand American political philosophy....come to think of it I'm not sure many Americans do either.

BoR's is extremely liberal document, the right to free speech, freedom of religion....or freedom from religion, right to bear arms, right to a trial etc. They are what we call now classical liberalism. American conservatism was model in preserving the intentions of that document.....but over the last 100 years or so since beginning of progressive era those ideas got corrupted.

Too equate Australian conservatives to American conservatives is naive at best and dishonest at it's worst IMO.

 

Arizona is an open carry state. It's completely legal to be armed in public.

(Which should be true everywhere).

 

Indeed. I find it interesting how other countries view left/right. In those countries left/right is both authoritarian in nature. It wasn't to long ago conservatives in our country fall into that category. It wasn't until few of us reminded conservatives that wasn't always the case.

 

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Well, good for Europe but we are talking the U.S. here.

 

You can be charged with a hate crime if your actions are to harass and intimidate a particular community from practicing their civil rights. Surrounding a mosque with fire arms seems to fit the bill.

 

You didn't answer the question, but threw out a strawman of your prediction of what things MIGHT turn into. I'll give you a chance to redeem yourself and pose my questions again...

Now, these two questions require a simple yes or no answer, not a dissertation on the hypothetical or a feeble attempt to make me agree with you about your stance on the Second Amendment, neither of which are relevant.

 

ROFL! You sound like you're from MA or something. (Are you?)

Things are different in AZ. It's open carry. Firearms are not considered "a threat". People walk around at public political events packing serious heat. It's an everyday thing, it's not like it's unusual or anything. The "surrounding of a building with people carrying" is not at all an unusual event, and unless you can show they're there to break the law there's nothing the law can do about it. (Nor would they wish to, in Arizona, probably).

 

So your right-wingers hate things that American right-wingers love? You don't have freedom of speech because the the Aussie right wingers don't want freedom of speech. You don't have the right to own guns because the right wing hates gun ownership.

They don't have much in common with right-wingers in the states. They sound like democrats.

 

I think concealed carry should be legal for everyone... I think waving your guns around in the air can be considered threatening

one has free speech rights, but not the right to yell fire in a crowded theater, same thing here


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I was not a fan of p-Christ.... but I will defend to the death his right to create it and I denounced everyone that resorted to death-threats towards him.

why should someone be forced to give up one constitutional right in order to participate in another? Which constitutional right are you willing to give up the right to no have to board a soldier in your house whenever you choose to exercise your right to free movement?

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who says "come armed" = "make sure you threaten as many people as possible with your guns"?


I think it simply stands as warning, we aren't going to be sitting ducks like at Charlie Hebdo....

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if they are preventing Muslims from going in or out of said mosque... then I'd agree with you.

 

We are as long as Obama's in charge.

He'd bring his federales just to stop the state police from doing their jobs.

He did it on immigration, I wouldn't be at all surprised if he did it on terrorism too.

 

Maybe the bikers will just shoot each other YES! THAT story was FUN!!!!!

 

"don't look at my dirty laundry, I just want to focus on yours"

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were you that happy when those two muslims got shot at the last Muhammad drawing event? lol

 

If they are intimidating people going into the mosque that changes things. Wonder what will happen if a bunch of Muslims show up as armed guards.

 

John Ritzheimer is just another Arizona racist and as I biker and US Army veteran that supports the US Constitution and religious freedom in the United States (even though I'm personally an athiest) I would encourage all bikers to avoid this racist and his calls for a "racist" demonstration.

 

Interesting tact.

Organizers encouraged attendees to bring weapons and American flags and "draw Mohammed," an act that many Muslims find offensive.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news...ares-protest-outside-phoenix-mosque/28136557/

How does that saying go? When fascism comes to America it will be carrying a bible and waving an American flag?

Now it is just me, but I would think that folks, such as the organizer of this gathering of "protestors", who were in the military, allegedly, would have enough respect for what the flag represents to not use it as a tool to broadcast ignorance, bigotry, and hatred.

Because nothing says America like waving a flag while trying to intimidate others with guns and mocking their religion, right?

 

Free Speech is Free Speech - but they're not going to quell Islam by these protests. They'll only embolden them.

 

Actually he is correct, point out where anything he said was wrong. You just do not like the fact that he stated the obvious, how dare a Muslim voice their own opinion and point out the obvious truth. Oh well stupid people do stupid things and if anything goes wrong and innocent people are harmed I hope the hold those involved accountable.

 

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woudl that include islamic folk coming in to attack them like they did at Charlie Hebdo and come out losing.... like happened in Texas

 

Would that include the hundreds of young girls abducted, raped and murdered by Islamist in Africa also? How about the tens of thousands tortured and killed at the hands of Islamist in now 11 countries and spreading across the globe?

Yes, because we clearly hear the outrage over the Islamist violence from "peaceful" Islamist here in the USA already. The silence is deafening.
"Death to America" and "Death to Infidels" are not just slick catch phrases.

Americans need to understand the threat, stop this PC nonsense and step up to the plate and accept human nature is what it is. And survival will go to the fittest.

 

the same could be said about Americans who Muslims are attempting to prevent from drawing Muhammed.

 

agree.... but being there, and making people aware they aren't sitting ducks, unarmed..... is not intimidating in and of itself....like it sounds like you are assuming.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't fascism be the Government doing this and not a bunch of citizens?

Christianity has been mocked for a long time and the 1st Amendment gives people the right to do so. Why shouldn't Islam be subject to the same treatment?

 

Churches have been protested in the past. Who cares if it was "bikers" or not ?

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There appears to be a reluctance in society to criticize anything related to non-white, non-Christian, non-Western minorities. Christianity is harshly criticized for its "homophobic" beliefs, yet those same beliefs are present in the Islamic religion, and it goes unchallenged.