Bill Maher: All Democrats Need To Do To Win Is Not Be Crazy, And They Can’t Do It

Bill Maher continues to surprise. Will the Democrats not be crazy? Please read the whole thing at the link:

 

We keep trying to tell Democrats how crazy they are being, but they keep making it worse. They are pushing further to the alt left radical side and even in the Dem debate they admitted this.

It's hysterical!

 

Whether or not one likes or hates Maher - he hit the nail on the head. The Dems had the last election in the bag to and they completely messed it up.

Hillary was an Establishment insider in an anti establishment election. Her and the DNC then meddled in the electoral process by what was done to Bernie - and they got caught - thanks to Wiki and whomever hacked the DNC server.

While this may not have caused many of the Bernie supporters to vote Red - it did cause many to just stay home. Clinton was so condescending and her "nails on the chalkboard" personality was so off-putting that many Dem women hate her - (yet voted anyway while holding noses). She had no plan - nothing to vote for - all she did was "Bad Trump, Bad Trump" like a parrot on a broken record.

Yet -despite the above - Hillary still got more of the popular vote. This should put terror into the heart of every citizen - never mind every Republican.

4 years will have passed and Trump - who wisely capitalized on the anti Establishment sentiment - no longer has much anti Establishment street cred for those that are paying attention -and the anti Establishment crowd typically does (myself included). The demographic time bomb has also ticked forward 4 more years. Red platforms against abortion and the gay marriage stuff does not play well with the younger demographic.

Maher is correct - all the Dem's need to do is put forward a reasonable candidate with a reasonably moderate plan - someone who is not completely batty - and they should have the next election in the bag.

 

Dems have the ability to look at the other side and decide that everything and anything said or done is crazy but zero ability to look inward and see just how batpoop crazy the entire party had become. Now let me head the snowflakes off at the past, you will say Trumpsters do the same thing, but we obviously do not, unlike the worship given to Obama he could do no wrong, we admit freely how assinine some of Trumps tweets are we do not praise and worship at his feet as you all (100%) of dems did and still do for that creep Obama.


Damn, I hate being right

 

The one single thing that had the biggest impact on the outcome of the election was Comey making his announcement that he was reopening the investigation on Hillary.

 

You're right Bill Maher, the Democrats need to run somebody like Hillary Clinton.

 

I think was many things - not sure that one was the biggest. I think the wiki leak thing was pretty big - as it brought to light what Hillary and the DNC did to Sanders - aka - meddling in our electoral process. The Anti Establishment movement was a big factor in the election the folks on the blue side of the AE movement were for Bernie. These folks probably did not defect to the right but, many of them probably just didn't vote.

 

I really wish the dems would admit they ran a bad candidate who had no business running in the first place, but it seems like they can't do that. If they ran a populist maybe they would've beat Trump.

 

Biden MUST get the nomination There is no one else He is the Anti-Trump

 

I don't care so much about being "anti Trump" . I want the person to be anti Establishment - and Biden is not.

 

What is wrong with the establishment, exactly? And how should a candidate be against it, exactly? As we have seen, there are bad ways to be anti-establishment that don't lead to constructive outcomes.

 

Maher nailed it! It seems the more insane dems are leading in the polls.

 

Dems have been winning steadily since early 2017 and will continue to do so.

 

One first has to define what the Establishment is = Elite Politicians and Bureaucrats with Big Money Interests pulling the strings.

What is wrong with the Establishment is that it is a Pay to Play system. If you Play (along with Big money interests) you get Paid - and everyone knows it.

Our foreign policy is dictated by these interests - as are many of our laws. I will give one example but there are hundreds.

Price fixing in the Drug industry. Trumps first nomination for Drug Czar had to step down when it came out that he was one of the people working with the Drug companies with respect to Opioids. The Drug company actually wrote the legislation - passed it off to some congressman who then submits it.

How many years have we heard lone voices standing up calling out Price Fixing in the Drug industry ? Everyone then turns to that lone voice and says "Look Look - freedom of speech - what a great system we have". That lone voice is then quickly drowned out by the cacophony on the take. Its a pay the play system and what we have is the natural outcropping of self interest and greed.

Red or Blue - doesn't matter - the systemic issues with respect to our healthcare system do not change. Obamacare was lipstick on a pig.

3.5 Trillion dollars in 2017. This is near double what other first world nations pay - all of which have universal healthcare - to pad the pockets of the Big Money Interests who own the Insurance and the Health Care Oligopolies. These influences are on both sides of the fence... this is not a Red or Blue issue - it is an Establishment issue.

The issue has gotten so insane that even some conservatives are stumping for Universal Healthcare - https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-conservative-case-for-universal-healthcare/

Every time some Tax Law or Regulation is made the Oligopoly is sitting at the table ... and perhaps they have a right to be there. The problem is that the person who is supposed to be representing the people is either in the pocket of -or influenced by - the Oligopoly. It is not like the Oligopoly wins every table but - over time - table after table - the rules of the game get skewed in favor of the Oligopoly.

Trump - despite his "anti Establishment" rhetoric - is an Establishment wonk. He works for the Big Money interests.

Did you think it was for her good looks and charming personality that Hillary gets 250 K a pop for some 15 min speech at a wall street banker luncheon ? - of course not - it is payback for a job well done. When you play - you get paid- and everyone knows it.

Would you be the one to run against a herd of stampeding bulls - shoot the goose that lays the golden eggs ? Its not easy and not politically expedient in general.

 

OK. No arguments there! I take it you favor Bernie on the Democratic side? He is certainly the most outspoken on these issues and most in line with what you are saying here, from what I have heard. I've said before and will again that I wish it would have been him in 2016 against Trump, where we could have had two change & reform candidates going head to head. I would not mind seeing that again in 2020.

However, something else to note is that a president alone can't accomplish everything we might like. I think we focus on the president and ignore the Congress to our peril and disappointment. We're not electing a 4- or 8-year autocrat who can do anything he or she pleases, after all. Where are the alternatives in the House and Senate races and why don't they win more elections? I suppose we got some of them in 2018, but how many were focused on the drug industry in particular? We need a bunch of Bernie Sanderses in Congress as well as an amenable president to get things done, really. At the very least, we need the likes of Mitch McConnell out of there.

 

So you want Trump then? Because if you don't support Biden, TRUMP is the one you're supporting We can argue all this bullshit endlessly AFTER the election, when we're figuring out who will be doing what to reconstruct our Democracy. OR we can do it for the next 4 years and then continue on from the prison camp we'll all be in for anyone even daring to suggest Trump shouldn't be crowned Emperor Big Don I in 2024. You have to WIN the election or all your grandiose schemes are so much bovine diarrhea and this will NOT be an easy one. IMO ALL the candidates not the front runner NOW should be kicked off the party, we have to present a united front from the earliest opportunity. Trump certainly is

 

Bernie has brought some of the issues I mentioned to the forefront but I think his time has passed. Gabbard is the best that the Dems have at the moment IMO but the many of the Dems hate her because she speaks the Truth about our war policy - which the Establishment Military Industrial Complex big money interests hate.

When we speak of the Establishment we have to keep in mind these same interests own the Media. Many people get sidetracked with the "Hot Button" issues - Abortion, Immigration, Gay marriage, Stormy Daniels, and so on. While these are important ... this is not what the Establishment in general cares about ... certain big money interests yes ... but not most. They care about Money.

The Hot button issues serve to divide the people and keep them voting either Red or Blue because they hate the other side. The Media rarely steers debate towards solutions but to more division by creating some black vs white - good vs evil paradigm. Propaganda 101.

There are numerous big money interests - and they often disagree. Look not towards the disagreements but to where they agree. It is like forces acting on a ball. When they are opposite - the ball does not move - when aligned the ball moves that direction.

The system is vastly corrupt - the stampeding herd is vast. For example - if you were to create a measuring stick - a bar by which to gauge who is a scum bucket and who is not what would one of those bars be.

Say for example - someone who agree to arming and supporting the 911 terrorist group - and others of the same ilk while they are raping and killing Christians in a foreign land. If you were to go around poling regular people in the US - how many would accept this ? very few.

If you look to congress - the "Stop Arming Terrorist Act" garnered just 13 cosigners out of 435 in the house - although these were bipartisan. When Rand Paul introduced the bill into the Senate ? ZERO. So out of 535 we have 14 who are not certifiable scum buckets.

 

I disagree with your black vs white paradigm. I hate Trump - but this does not mean I think Biden is his best replacement. Your claim is basically "if you don't think Biden is the best replacement - you support Trump". This is logical fallacy on steroids.

Biden is an Establishment wonk - Just like Trump. I would prefer someone who is not an Establishment wonk.

The Establishment agenda was greatly furthered under Obama ... I hardly think Biden is going to veer from that path.

 

Trump is the most illustrious member of the Pay to Play system.

 

I like Gabbard as well. Bernie is a bit of a fossil at this point, but I don't want to be prejudiced against him because of that. I wouldn't agree that his time has passed. Just smacks of age discrimination.

I suspect there is much more than money concerned where these decisions to arm certain groups abroad are concerned. The real problem is that you and I aren't fully informed (not even close, in fact) due to the kind of secrecy that surrounds our modern military strategy. They can't tell us anything because they would end up telling opponents too much, so we are left to guess at what is going on. That vacuum of facts leaves room for what we might call alternative facts to step in.

 

Except that unlike all the Democrats who are/were in office, Trump is getting poorer, not richer. No one is paying off the Donald, unlike all your personal faves, whoever they are.

https://www.wonkette.com/well-at-least-donald-trump-is-getting-poorer

 

Yay? The last thing we need is one of these avowed socialist *******s as president.

 

They, like you, are not socialists.

And America is a social democracy, no way around it, with both parties Big Government Progressive machines.

 

The first thing we need is a president who puts national and public interests ahead of personal interests. The second thing we need is a socialist who will finally support reforms to help the working class and stop transferring our wealth to the elite few instead.

 

The whole - "They hide everything from us because this would help the enemy" mantra is an apology for quazi totalitarianism. This is the standard propaganda line given by the Pentagon goblins.

I get that there are some situations where secrecy is warranted but if you study the issue - much of the time it is hiding Gov't crimes and misdeads from the US public that much is made "confidential - top secret".

It is not some secret that we were arming the 911 terrorists in Syria. Not some secret that the "Stop Arming Terrorist Act" exists. Where is the explanation of this policy from the Pentagon/State Dept ? Better yet - where is the explanation of why they covered this up for so long - and for the Obama admin "Moderate Rebel Lie".

Where is the updates - at least on a semi annual basis - for Afghanistan - These are our objectives and this is how we are doing - and this is why we should continue to pour billions of dollars into this effort rather than helping US citizens. The initial rational - "we are fighting Al Qaeda - the war on terror" no longer passes the giggle test given that since 2011 we have been arming, supporting - with tens of thousands of tons of sophisticated military equipment and been on the same and on the same side of the war in Syria as Al Qaeda/ ISIS and others of the same extremist Jihadist ilk.

Where is the media on this - abject silence - that's where.