Bill Maher: All Democrats Need To Do To Win Is Not Be Crazy, And They Can’t Do It

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  1. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    And I would prefer Marianne Willamson over anybody. The first pol to actually present a real alternative to our politics since Adlai Stevenson. Next after her I would support my ****ing cat. She is the human equivalent of 114 years old yet can still catch mice instantly on awakening from a deep sleep. Let Putin try that.

    WE HAVE TO WIN THE ELECTION FIRST. Fallacy/shmallacy that is the undeniable and irrefutable FACT of the matter and, in fact, the one and ONLY important thing about it. If we don't recognize this then get ready for the candidacy of President Ivanka in 2024, it will be the only real choice you will get, then or ever.
     
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    Bullshit. The "working class" don't have any wealth to transfer. The rich create their wealth, they don't steal it, they don't get it from the working class, and they don't get it from the government, except for Democrats. How is it you people are so ignorant of economics 101?

    "It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest." Adam Smith

    "By pursuing his own interest (the individual) frequently promotes that of the society more effectually than when he really intends to promote it. I have never known much good done by those who affected to trade for the public good." Adam Smith

    "Man is an animal that makes bargains: no other animal does this - no dog exchanges bones with another." Adam Smith

    "Individual Ambition Serves the Common Good." Adam Smith

    "The real price of everything, what everything really costs to the man who wants to acquire it, is the toil and trouble of acquiring it." Adam Smith

    "Every individual is continually exerting himself to find out the most advantageous employment for whatever capital he can command. It is his own advantage, indeed, and not that of the society which he has in view. But the study of his own advantage naturally, or rather necessarily, leads him to prefer that employment which is most advantageous to society... He intends only his own gain, and he is in this, as in many other cases, led by an invisible hand to promote an end which was not part of his intention" Adam Smith

    "The property which every man has in his own labour, as it is the original foundation of all other property, so it is the most sacred and inviolable." Adam Smith (Socialists would make the labor of every man the property of other men.)

    "As soon as government management begins it upsets the natural equilibrium of industrial relations, and each interference only requires further bureaucratic control until the end is the tyranny of the totalitarian state." Adam Smith

    "The uniform, constant, and uninterrupted effort of every man to better his condition . . . is frequently powerful enough to maintain the natural progress of things toward improvement, in spite of the extravagance of government, and of the greatest errors of administration." Adam Smith (And I would add here that capitalism directs men to better their condition through their own effort and through cooperation with other men. Socialism directs men to better their condition through stealing the efforts of others and through oppression of other men.)

    "It is not the actual greatness of national wealth, but its continual increase, which occasions a rise in the wages of labour. It is not, accordingly, in the richest countries, but in the most thriving, or in those which are growing rich the fastest, that the wages of labour are highest. England is certainly, in the present times, a much richer country than any part of North America. The wages of labour, however, are much higher in North America than in any part of England." Adam Smith

    "No complaint... is more common than that of a scarcity of money." Adam Smith (Americans complain bitterly of how little they have compared to the billionaires, but middle class Americans live in a luxury Solomon couldn't have imagined.)

    Why socialism fails: "It is the interest of every man to live as much at his ease as he can; and if his emoluments are to be precisely the same, whether he does or does not perform some very laborious duty, it is certainly his interest, at least as interest is vulgarly understood, either to neglect it altogether, or, if he is subject to some authority which will not suffer him to do this, to perform it in as careless and slovenly a manner as that authority will permit." Adam Smith

    The relationship between government busybodies and billionaires: "It is the highest impertinence and presumption, therefore, in kings and ministers to pretend to watch over the economy of private people, and to restrain their expense. They are themselves, always, and without any exception, the greatest spendthrifts in the society." Adam Smith

    "The natural effort of every individual to better his own condition is so powerful that it is alone, and without any assistance, capable not only of carrying on the society to wealth and prosperity, but of surmounting 100 impertinent obstructions with which the folly of human laws too often encumbers its operations." Adam Smith (He couldn't have known just how many laws Americans were capable of passing to encumber the operation of industry.)
     
  3. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I do not think Biden is the only one with a chance of winning. I don't even think he has the best chance of winning. Sure he polls well among the Dem base but the dem base is voting for whomever Blue puts up. We need someone that plays well to those in the middle - and perhaps some Red who lean middle who dislike Trump.

    Biden is not going going to have much sway over the anti Establishment crowd. Someone like Gabbard on the other hand would garner a huge following once these folks get to know her.

    I completely agree with Maher on this one - all the Dems need to do is stop with the extremist stuff. Hillary was a nightmare candidate and yet she still got more of the popular vote. That should tell you something - and scare the heck out of Red - especially since the demographic time bomb will have progressed 4 years into the future.

    Dems just need not to shoot their own feet out from under them and they will have an easy win.

    On another note - I will be surprised if the economy can hold up for another year - the only thing Red has going for it.
     
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    There are an awful lot of people on Capitol Hill and in the Pentagon who know what is up. You think they're all corrupt and lying? I find that hard to swallow and you're not presenting a compelling case.

    As for arming terrorists, I'm more concerned about our support for the damned Saudis in their cluster **** in Yemen than I am about assertions that we're arming 9/11 terrorists (presumably intentionally), which I find unlikely. The wrong sorts have evidently gotten a hold of some things, but it's not like we are all-powerful and all-knowing and able to control everything that happens in a far-away war zone.
     
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    It is not an assertion - you mind is gapping out here because - like the movie "A few good men" - "you can't handle the truth.

    What is hard to believe is that 13 bipartisan members of congress cosponsored the "Stop Arming Terrorists Act" - a bill tabled specifically on the basis of the claim that we were doing just that - including the 911 Terrorist Group, ISIS, and others of the same ilk - but it was "all made up"

    This is what you are suggesting - it is loony tunes - and you know its loony tunes. What do these people in congress have to gain by doing such a thing - going against the Establishment by outing their dirty laundry - knowing this is running against a herd of stampeding bulls - and shooting the goose laying the golden eggs ?

    I have been studying this conflict since the beginning - and the deeper you get into it - the deeper and deeper the BS piles up.

    What is even more "hard to believe" is that were these 13 in congress stating that we were arming and supporting these terrorists - Making it all up as you suggest - that the Media completely ignored it - and did not take these folks to task.

    This would be the story of the decade - yet neither right nor left media would touch it with a 10 foot pole.

    The stuff in Yemen is the same deal - us being in bed with the Saudi's and the groups that share the nut job Saudi ideology. We are also on the same side as Al Qaeda in Yemen.

    What do you mean "make a case" ? - did you need me to post a link - have I not posted this link to you previously - along with numerous others ?

    I can give you tons of other stuff but - what else do you need ? Seriously - 13 members of congress cosponsored this bill.

    Cosponsor Original Cosponsor Date Cosponsored
    Rep. Peter Welch [D-VT-At Large] Yes January 23, 2017
    Rep. Thomas Massie[R-KY-4] Yes January 23, 2017
    Rep. Barbara Lee [D-CA-13] Yes January 23, 2017
    Rep. Walter Jones Jr.[R-NC-3] Yes January 23, 2017
    Rep. Thomas Garrett Jr. [R-VA-5] Yes January 23, 2017
    Rep. Ted Yoho [R-FL-3] Yes January 23, 2017
    Rep. Paul Gosar [R-AZ-4] No February 7, 2017
    Rep. Scott Perry [R-PA-4] No February 28, 2017
    Rep. John Conyers Jr. [D-MI-13] No March 6, 2017
    Rep. Dana Rohrabacher [R-CA-48] No March 29, 2017
    Rep. Ro Khanna [D-CA-17] No April 26, 2017
    Rep. Bobby Rush [D-IL-1] No April 27, 2017
    Rep. Jeff Duncan [R-SC-3] No May 22, 2017
    Rep. Peter DeFazio[D-OR-4] No June 22, 2017
     
  6. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Isn't Medicare for All one of the "radical" policies? (I support it but Trump is still selling it as financially ruinous)
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trump is an Establishment clown - of course he is trying to maintain the status quo. Universal healthcare is not radical - hence why I pointed out some Republicans that support it. The Establishment propaganda machine is working overtime trying to paint it as "radical"

    Have you not noticed that the MSM spends very little time educating people on Universal healthcare ? Sure you get some stuff from the left MSM occasionally - typically when it is unavoidable .. and they often talk in generalities and do not really make the case that they could be making.

    I think one of the area's where Bernie was over the top was with free tuition. He could have just gone with the reducing the cost of tuition line and stuck mostly to healthcare and the raping of the nation by the Oligopolies - the big money influence in our pay to play system and in the media.
     
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    The Don is literally screwing himself...

    "The announcement today that the Trump Administration will be delaying the additional 10% tariff on some footwear until December 1 is an acknowledgment that tariffs are indeed paid by Americans,” the group’s president and CEO Matt Priest said in a statement. “It is no coincidence that the Administration is allowing certain shoes to come in without raising taxes in hopes that prices do not rise at retail during the holidays. Our industry's loud unified voice left a clear impression that shoe tariffs are already extremely high, upwards of 67.5%, and any further tariffs would directly raise costs on consumers and cost footwear jobs."
    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/foot...rs-america-trump-delay-tariffs-211032604.html
     
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    Don't you love the surreal free market system?
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It was Jim Rogers - guy who founded the Quantum fund with Soros way back in the day - that said China has a more free and fair market than the US. This was roughly 10 years ago. Quite a shocking claim if you think about it.

    At the end of the day - extreme socialism (say totalitarian communism) and extreme capitalism - end up at the same place on the spectrum. In both cases you have a few elite owning most resources and means of production.

    We are merely repeating an age old cycle.
     

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