Biological woman who cut off breasts to become a trans "male" now regrets "huge mistake"

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  1. kazenatsu

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    https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-12...-breasts-trans-male-regrets-huge-mistake.html

    In 2005, Karemer received her prosthetic "testicles" and three years after that she had her vagina fully removed. Just a few months after that Karemer had fat and skin harvested from her arm in order to finish the creation of her fake "penis" as well as to complete the work on her "testicles".

    In the end, however, Karemer didn't find the happiness she was looking for. Instead, she felt emptier than ever, and eventually realized that she had been duped -- and now she's trying to warn others not to make the same mistake she did, despite the apparent allure and trendiness of going transgender in our modern day.

    "The session where I realized this was so bad, I had a complete breakdown and panic attack because I realized it was a huge mistake," Karemer recalls. "I was traumatized by what had happened in my life, and it was misdiagnosed as being transgender."

    "Looking back now, I realize that it was simply a feeling that if I didn't have a vagina, I couldn't be raped," this poor woman now understands.

    Be sure to read her full tragic story at Life Site News.
     
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    I’m not seeing the downside of letting mentally unstable people self neuter.
     
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    How can anyone be misdiagnosed as being transgender. Are they not the final deciding factor on what they want their gender to be. When a therapist asks do you want to become a man because you truly believe you are not a woman how can they say otherwise? Cases like this really makes a person think we should be pumping the brakes on letting adolescent people transition.
     
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    Cosmetic surgery is oftentimes regretted after the fact, while some trans people find relief after the procedure many others do not.
    It is definitely not something that should be taken lightly and every avenue should be exhausted before a surgery is committed..

    The fact that she felt like she needed to “remove” her vagina for fear of being raped says a ton about our culture.
     
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    as long as it's paid for from their own pocket, sure. The moment that taxpayers or insurance is forced to pay for a lopmydickoffme or addadicktome surgery, is when the line must be drawn and the surgery refused.

    You don't perform cosmetic surgery to cure a mental instability
     
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    Cool. I'm glad she was able to figure out her gender expression and felt comfortable enough to transition in the first place because she felt it was the right thing to do.

    And for every bigot here going on about trans people not knowing their gender identity: The vast majority of trans people who medically transition don't regret it and it does wonders to overall health.
     
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    That's not what this thread is about. It's about people who foolishly consent to be mutilated by pseudomedical charlatans who leave them more devastated than any dollar amount could ever compensate for.

    If you guys don't see a down side to that, try opening your eyes.
     
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    If you sought to have your thumbs removed because they made you feel orangutanean, and you no longer wanted to feel orangatanean, insurance wouldn't pay.
     
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    It is telling that you feel this is a comparable issue.
     
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    It's telling that you don't.

    However, if you want to argue that completely dicing up and rearranging your genitals isn't comparable to cutting off your thumbs because cutting up your genitals is more extreme, I won't argue against that.

    This woman had a skin sac grafted onto her crouch, and then had two prosthetic silocone balls inserted in there, to hang down and wiggle.
    Did I mention she had her entire VAGINA removed?
     
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    Yes, she did — because she was afraid of being raped.
    Something any decent medical professional should have caught.
     
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    I've heard the process is arduous and costs quite a bit. Where are all these people getting that kind of money?

    What about...
    People that feel insecure and get breast or penis augmentation?
    People getting Botox and other collagen treatments?
    People that want to lose weight quickly to make an ex jealous?
    People that use creams to lighten their skin?
    People that get rhinoplasty?
    People that get braces?
    And on and on.

    Who decides which body altering procedure is "okay" or "not okay"? Isn't ALL cosmetic surgery based on someone's low self-esteem?
     
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    she was a heterosexual? not Trans?

    Misdiagnosed she says, how do you not correct a doctor if that is the case

    What she feared was being raped by fellow heterosexuals? and thought pretending to be trans would protect her from heterosexuals?

    I guess we could ask... are heterosexual men this evil to women that they would do something like this?
     
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    yeah, this seems more like dr shopping for a diagnosis to get what you want vs to get a real diagnosis

    pretending to be trans to get a procedure you think will protect you from being raped by heterosexual men seems extreme, she must have had some real bad experiences with heterosexual men in her past to think this would protect her from them
     
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    found this article on her, never thought of this, if you feared heterosexual men, and did this to avoid being raped by them, but then every time you looked in the mirror... you saw a man in the reflection

    https://metro.co.uk/2019/11/29/woman-transitioned-man-starts-treatment-female-11238566/

    "She added: ‘I look in the mirror through the eyes of that terrified 15-year-old girl and see this funny little man staring back at me…"
     
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    She was mentally ill. And I think that is generally the case for people who are driven to destroy the gender they were born with. But to heal this illness is considered bad and a counselor can lose their career over suggesting this option. Especially since transgender individuals can be angry activists and the media and LGBT organizations attempt to stamp out those who attempt to "fix" someone of their transgenderness.

    What counselors do, is refer these people to counselors who specialize in "transgender therapy" to help people thru the transition...not stopping them from it. Gets these people off the plate of a commonsense counselor.
     
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    The story of any one person is not evidence that all persons having such thoughts will meet the same end.

    Myself, I do not believe that anyone should undergo gender changing operations. I'm not saying that your gender is fixed, but your physical genetics certainly are. That said, while physical/biologic gender is a real and undeniable scientific truth, it is only half the story of human gender.

    The other half being the human mind. It is not all about gender, but there is gender within it. In ways we yet have little clue in understanding the workings, far less so than we do in understanding the physical body.

    Gender for the sentient, thinking, feeling, emotional, complex human creature is a mentally complex thing. Far more so than I or any of us could hope to comprehend. All we can do is seek out our personal sense of comfort in the gender we were born as and the gender we feel ourselves to be.

    A scalpel is a radical and risky test of all that.

    I would not outlaw these surgeries, even though I do not believe in them. But I would demand that all cases be tracked over long periods of time and the counseling methods used to help these people make these decisions be constantly examined against the long term results.
     
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    She should sue whatever liscensed medical professional diagnosed her and/or recomended reassignment. Just a few big lawsuits is all thats needed to ensure the medical community is careful and diligent in handing this out as a treatment.
     
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    I saw some TV show about trans people that said most regret the surgery or actively try to revert to their birth gender within the first 10 years. I think they are getting better at it in terms of making people more functionally the other gender though. I really don't care that much. Their body to do with what they can.
     
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    The trouble is, once they flip your genitals inside out, it's really difficult to put them back.

    There are some specific medical reasons (too complex to go into here) why it is easier to turn one gender of private parts into another gender of private parts, than it is to turn them back to the original gender after they have been changed.
     
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    She wasn't happy with her addadicktomy?
     
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    With male to female it is more they flip them outside in. Like I said, it really doesn't bother me that much. They are the ones who must live with the consequences. I don't see it as any stranger than people who get those giant gauge holes in their ear lobes or tattoo their faces, necks and/or entire torso.
     
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