Bipartisan Coalition Rejects Democrats’ Call to Pack Supreme Court

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Should a constitutional amendment be passed insuring a 9 member Supreme Court?

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  1. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    So what say you? This is a bipartisan group of former AG's, governors and others. They are urging a constitutional amendment that would simply say

    “The Supreme Court of the United States shall be composed of nine Justices.”.

    It is the only way to ensure one political party will not engage in court packing which would then be countered with more court packing once the other side gains back the Congress.

    The article notes
    "Voters support a “Keep Nine” amendment by a 3-1 margin, according to a John Zogby Strategies poll cited by the coalition. Democrats back the amendment by a 2-1 margin, the poll found, while self-described independents and moderates back the proposal by nearly 4-1. "
    https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/09/24/bipartisan-coalition-rejects-democrats-call-to-pack-supreme-court/?utm_source=TDS_Email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=MorningBell&utm_content=httpswwwdailysignalcom20200924bipartisancoalitionrejectsdemocratscalltopacksupremecourtutmsourcerssutmmediumrssutmcampaignbipartisancoalitionrejectsdemocratscalltopacksupremecourt&mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiTmpkbU5qSmxNR05pWmpZeSIsInQiOiIyYUt6ekFJbEhDUzA4Qm9oRjNlZGxRdzBNaWtHWm5SYWZGTCswK0VZRjQ0NCtnbks1cVpudEl6Vm1sRFJBYTVvaUNqY0wreThxVFwvcisyaXA1bE5pOWJBcnhZdXlhM2NXRkxBYVBxK25ySVdicW1FWUxWRHM2NlN3QXo5TVY3Tm4ifQ==

    The nine member court has been in place and served us well since 1869. Now come the sore loser Democrats wanting to change SOLELY for partisan political purposes.

    So what say you?
     
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    Bottom line is this, democrats think stacking the court is a brilliant idea, up to the very day Republicans say, "hey, not a bad idea" and then they do it with 19 new conservative judges. Then it would suck, right?
     
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    All this talk about 'packing the Supreme Court' is just CRAP! I'm amazed that any Democrat, when sober, would even suggest such a thing, given their history about "court-packing".

    The great Democrat demi-god, Frankie Roosevelt pulled this 'packing' attempt back in 1937. But FDR's attempted Democrat coup on the Judiciary Branch turned out to be a total failure, and it was thrown out of consideration overwhelmingly by the Senate!

    [​IMG]. "Hey, let's try it! People are stupider today than they used to be...." :spin:
     
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    Voters also opposed the GOP stealing a Court seat in 2016, but it happened. The makeup of the Supreme Court influences law for decades so politicians are willing to bear a tougher election for a Supreme Court that isn't 6 - 3 conservative.
     
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    i'm torn on this. i voted yes, but i still believe that a constitutional amendment should only be used as a last ditch effort. we simply shouldn't need it. i'm sure we all remember the stupidity of the eighteenth amendment which quickly led to the twenty-first in order to get rid of the idiocy. a constitutional amendment is something that should be considered the next best thing to sacred, we are codifying the basic rules that govern our nation, and such things shouldn't be wasted on frivolous whims or partisan bickeringl.
     
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    the whining just never seems to stop. nothing was stolen. barak obama was the very definition of a lame duck president. with months left in his second term and a congress firmly against him, his nominations to the bench had absolutely no chance of being ratified and he wasn't going to be given another chance. it really is rather sad that some folks have to be reminded that the presidency is held by an individual and not by a party. in november of 2016, with a supreme court seat vacant, the nation elected a president that they knew would nominate a constitutionally minded justice instead of a raving partisan bent on legislating from the bench. in spite of every atttempt by the democrats to sully the good name of a man who had every qualification to be a supreme court justice, trump succesfully appointed his first supreme court justice. now, with the backing of the senate, he is poised to appoint a second. none of this changes the structure of the nation. none of this endangers the basic rights of our citizenry. all this means is that your grand authoritarian progressive dystopia is put off for a few more years. get used to it, get over it and get on with your life.
     
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    Diversion noted.
     
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    Yet we see the what more Democrats are willing to do to grab power. This should be set by the Constitution and not subject to the shifting political whims.
     
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    i reiterate - we shouldn't need a constitutional amendment to maintain our republic. that the democrats are making it so difficult only serves to reinforce the obvious fact that they are an illegitimate and immoral force in politics.
     
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    they'll never stop whining.
     
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    Its inevitable they will add seats. And they will get away with it.
     
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    The constitution states that it is the president's responsibility to pick a Supreme Court nominee and that the senate needs to advise him. It doesn't make any exception of lame duck presidents or election year. When the people vote you in for four years, you are president for all those years, until the day before you leave office. You don't become less of a president months before your term is ending. Congress was firmly against him, but that has been very common historically. For example, Ronald Reagan dealt with a Senate and House that were democrat dominated.
     
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    Don't be so sure, there is a coalition of Democrats forming that opposes this purely partisan sore loser attempt to pack the court. And I will not be surprised if this move in fact does prompt a constitutional amendment. I have a poll question about it go in the opinion poll section.
     
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    Yep the Republicans are acting purely according to the Constitution.
     
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    I agree but it is what it is at this point and these petulant Democrats may drive us into one and quite frankly I will sleep better at night if they do. I think there would be enough states that have had enough of this that they would quickly pass it.
     
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    Do you honestly think that the democrats when they control the house and the senate, will allow conservatives to dominate the Supreme Court for an entire generation, especially when one seat was stolen from them? The process is already a pass and the GOP already cheated before and got away with it. Democrats are politicians too and will do the same thing when they are in charge. Your turn to complain will come.
     
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    advice comes in many forms and one of those forms is to simply say "no". perhaps you would prefer the senate had put it up for a vote, but that seems an incredible waste of time, considering the outcome was a foregone conclusion.

    it's funny that you should bring up reagan. he was famous for working with the opposition, much as we have seen trump attempt to do, and he luckily was president in an era when the democrats were willing to be a bit more rational. since the beginning of the new millenium we have seen an entirely new democratic party. no longer are they willing to compromise. no longer are they willing to seek common ground for the good of the nation. everything now is a fight to the death. oddly enough, i blame reagan for this. had he not forced the soviet union to the brink of destruction, they would remain today as a cautionary tale on the true nature of of socialism and collectivism in general. instead we have one party that desires only to steer the nation down the soviets' path and another that still remembers the evils of that system. we now have an entire generation that believes themselves smart enough to avoid the inevitable militaristic authoritarianism that is part and parcel of the collectivist ideology.
     
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    too late republicans, you cheated to steal the SC, now dems will do the same, have to play fair or no one does
     
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    You're going to nominate and confirm a new Justice because you can. They might add more Justices ... because they can. What's the difference?
     
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    Lets be fair. The Republicans in the Senate didn't want to work with Obama and they were part of the problem. Also, Obama tried to work with them by nominating someone very centrist and very qualified. Someone Republicans even suggested Obama picked when they were previously complaining about him. But the Republicans refused to do their job and even try to participate in this process. And as a result, our Supreme Court nomination process has become a partisan nightmare as we have seen. This may have helped the GOP in the short term, but will hurt the process in the long term.
     
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    How will you react if they decide to add more Justices? Will you "... get over it and get on with your life?"
     
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    You have zero chance of getting enough Democrats onside to get an Amendment limiting the number of Justices.
     
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    nope, cause then dems would just add 20 when they got power if repubs added 19

    this is what happens when republicans cheat, everyone does
     
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    when dems add theirs, we can see if republicans still want to limit it to that number :)
     
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    Your Post 12 was absolutely right. This post has one flaw. Nothing was stolen in 2015. In one of those rare instances, the Republicans, out maneuvered the Democrats and didn't cave in to the weeping and gnashing of teeth" . The difference between now and the old days is the conservatives want originalist's and the Democrats want activist's in how they interpret the Constitution.
     

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