Birthright Citizenship For Illegals Is Not In The Constitution

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  1. onalandline

    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The original intent of the 14th Amendment specifically excluded aliens. It was however, intended to make sure that freed slaves were citizens. The 14th has been bastardized by leftist, activist politicians and judges.
     
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    But it doesn't say that. you simply have an opinion
     
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    the original intent of the 2nd Amendment was to have an armed public militia in reserve
     
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    managed by the states
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh, so now you want to give aliens automatic U.S. citizenship also because they are entitled to "equal protection of the law"?
    The same "jurisdiction" that would apply to them also applies to a baby with alien parents who just happens to be born in the U.S.

    The problem with your interpretation is, if we are consistent and follow it to its logical conclusion, it leads to an absurd outcome.
     
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    I don't "give" anyone anything. The constitution does. I am fine if you want to amend it. Go for it
     
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    was republicans that push H1B Visa's and that allowed India to send people here, learn how to run our stuff, go back to India and then steal our jobs... thanks Republicans

    Trump is still doing it

    "H1B Visa: Donald Trump Administration Wants Only Highly Skilled Foreign Workers, No Outsourcing"

    http://thechiefobserver.com/721/h1b...ighly-skilled-foreign-workers-no-outsourcing/

    trump doesn't get it, corps hire these foreigners, train them, then they go back to their home country and steal those jobs via foreign outsourcing

    having India handle all out IT data infrastructure is a national security risk, course what does Trump care, he still uses a personal IPhone
     
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    I'm still glad Clinton didn't get in but as I've said, I don't vote anymore.
    And HB1 visas make sure our college grads don't get the tech jobs so yes but at least the demon didn't get in. She is a blood thirsty hag and that is not my opinion.
    Trump ,didn't like Asset forfeiture he signed into law,now they can and will clean out bank accounts on side of road, no hearing ,no trial, no warrrant. ERAD can clean your clocks and cost tens of thousands to get back your legal property.

     
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    The author of the 14th said it was not meant to be for aliens. I posted that previously.
     
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    The Bill of Rights are individual rights, so the 2nd Amendment pertains to individuals as well as State militias.
     
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    sorry but unless you are a diplomat, your children born in the USA are citizens.

    dont like it? Amend the Constitution
     
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    oh so now you guys are also against LEGAL immigration huh?
     
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    I don't care if he said it was only for martians. It is very clearly written
     
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    Then we also have clear precedent from the very beginning that the 14th Amendment was not meant to apply to independent Indian tribes living in U.S. territory (tribes that didn't pay taxes and weren't under direct U.S. jurisdiction). So simply being born on U.S. soil is not enough to automatically confer citizenship.

    That's believed to be one of the main reasons for the "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" qualification. If those passing the 14th Amendment wanted to give automatic citizenship to everyone just because they happened to be born on U.S. soil, why would they have included that clause into the text?
     
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    Obviously not, seeing that was provided for in the unamended Constitution.
     
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    the Clinton years were pretty good and republican would of controlled Congress, I think we would of done much better off with Clinton then Trump as did most voters
     
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    I don't understand how anyone could like a person who is so blood thirsty as she is. How can you laugh at someone being murdered like she did about the Libyan leader?
    No normal person would think it was funny. I don't believe in torture for any reason.
     
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    Trump is all me me me, the rest of the country doesn't mater to the guy, he is 100% ego driven, can dish it out, but has such a fragile ego that he can't take it when anyone questions him. his own hand picked staff has issues dealing with his fragile ego, everyone has to walk on eggshells in this administration so as not to upset Trump's fragile ego
     
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    If birthright citizenship is clearly written into the 14th Amendment, then I have to agree with Kazenatsu, and ask why not just have it say "All persons born or naturalized in the United States are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside."? Instead it actually reads "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside." That little bold part is the key to the argument that illegal aliens that give birth in the U.S. are giving birth to just another illegal alien.

    https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/author-of-14th-amendment-explains-exactly-who-it-was-meant-for
     
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