Birx tells Congress, saying more than 130,000 people died unnecessarily, Trump 'distracted'

Fauci had admitted he said they didn't work because he was afraid people would buy them up and use them and their wouldn't be enough for hospitals. COVID has no special qualities than other microbes when it comes to physical barriers, he knew the size of the virus and the capabilities of the mask in real world scenarios.

 

I wouldn't worry about world inflation we American will get stuck paying that, what needs focused on is U.S. inflation, you are about to pay for it and world inflation to boot... Odd you make the claim in such a narrow point of fact, hmmm...

 

No.

He should not have uttered hyperbolic nonesense.

He should have just told the truth.

 

A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it.

 

I agree, but first they should follow through with holding him responsible for the crimes he commited after losing the election, when he completely abandoned all his duties as potus to engage in a seditious effort to overturn the election, punctuated by the insurrection of fools he whipped up on January 6, and continuing to this day every time he opens his mouth to spout his big lie.

 

This is my thread, If you want to focus on Biden, start a thread and I'll respond.

Unlike Trump, Biden doesn't pose an existential threat to the world.

Despite his flaws.

Given that Trump is conducting rallies, is soliciting donations, considers himself the leader of the GOP and republicans have accepted this, he is fair game.

Because I would rather have Biden as president, and Biden IS president, it makes far more sense to me to devote my energy into preventing Trump from becoming president.

 

Trump must be indicted, prosecuted, and removed from any hope of ever running again.

 

Pelosi claimed it was perfectly safe and quarantining and travel bans are racist. She cost lives. This has been a Democrat plague from the beginning, most deaths have occurred in Democrat areas because they never took it seriously.

 

Top notch reply to a completely partisan jab against Trump. I am not paying for a WAPO post.

Deborah Birx did a hell of a lot of talking during press conferences and she could have made these claims then and there if they are true. WAPO misleads the public.

 

The only tools Trump had to fight the virus was social distance and wear a mask

Trump made that a Joke and urged states to open up and enabled the virus to spread and mutate

The only way to get past the virus and things back to normal is get everyone vaccinated

It looks like Republicans are trying hard to keep the virus going and stropping from things getting back to normal

 

WOW, a blanket admission that Trump scares Democrats. T hey fear that as the story emerges that he will be exonerated not only by the congress but by the public at large.

 

Dirty Donald should be tried for Treason and prosecuted

 

When did he admit this as you posted it?

Fauci stated the masks didn't work and he was trying to keep people from buying them up since at the time he didn't believe asymptomatic people could transmit the disease but infected people going to hospitals could.

I see no deliberate lie in this statement...unless you were referring to another statement?

July 24th. Fauci reflects on his previous comments on masks in an interview with the Washington Post, saying the “critical issue” back in March was to “save the masks for the people who really needed them” and adds he and other health officials did not “realize” then the “extent of asymptomatic spread.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...ght-that-fauci-discouraged-wearing-masks/amp/

 

He's been all over the place, you can't believe anything that comes out of his mouth. He believes HE OWNS this whole thing and is now dictator of public behavior. And now he's caught in this lie, he needs to be gone yesterday.

Fauci said US government held off promoting face masks because it knew shortages were so bad that even doctors couldn't get enough

• In an interview with the financial-news site TheStreet, Dr. Anthony Fauci said the public was initially told not to wear masks to stop COVID-19 because of shortages of PPE for doctors

Dr. Anthony Fauci said Friday the reason the public was advised not to wear masks at the beginning of the coronavirus pandemic was that there were too few to go around.

In an interview with the financial-news site TheStreet, Fauci, the US government's foremost infectious-diseases expert, was asked about the changing government advice on wearing masks.

In January through March, as the spread of the disease became more and more serious, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention actively discouraged the use of masks among the general public.
https://www.businessinsider.com/fau...cause-doctors-shortages-from-the-start-2020-6

 

In violation of the Constitution and ex post facto and bill of attainder?

 

Her position is perfectly logical.

His resistance towards testing, which would have been to nip the virus in the bud at the early stages, which could have been done with a massive testing campaign while the virus was in it's infancy, in a small neighborhood where such would have been possible, and thus everyone who had the virus would be quarantined, and thus preventing the further spread, it can easily be understood that such actions, among other actions, would have seriously scaled back the upward trajectory, and it doesn't take a genius to see that thousands of lives could have been saved.

All you are doing is lawyering the argument.

 

Is that a loosely quoted Men in Black line?

If so good job. I like movie references.

Anyhow, so your saying the guy who told suburban housewives that their communities were going to be destroyed; is concerned about causing panic?

I don't buy it...and even if it was true it is no excuse to endanger so many lives because he is worried about snowflakes.

 

Yes. To few to go around and not needed anyway unless you were actually infected.

Why would he encourage masks for everyone when he thought only infected people could transmit the disease?

If he had known in March that the disease could spread by asymptomatic people then you would have a point.

 

Sorry but I don't see how he could have done anything different. At the time, we all thought this was going to be another SARs thing that went away like last time. As has been stated, Pelosi et. al. were encouraging people to go out into crowds. They also did everything they could to shut Trump down regardless of what he said. I don't remember any of the Dems (or republicans for that matter) trying to help Trump manage the situation. The media openly mocked him when he sent the hospital ship to NYC. The mayor didn't shut down the crowds that went out to look at it.

Yea, things could have been better. Hindsight is 20-20. I thought we would all be back to work in a couple of weeks. That was 20 months ago.
Come on now, what did Democrats do in order to help Trump and the nation?

 

Results show otherwise. Here in Los Angeles, drive-thru testing and media blitzes from elected officials did not prevent LA from being among the worst hit metros in the country. This is in addition to the lock downs, and fines for not wearing a mask outdoors.

Unless you can show a significantly higher rate of infection among Republicans or that Democrats made an exception and trusted him with their lives, this is nothing but another tanTrump.

 

Ex post facto law. You can't create a crime after the alleged offence and charge someone for it retroactively.

Also, Congress has no right to pass legislation punishing the executive branch for not passing executive orders, that is unconstitutional, they have no such power.

You have a separation of powers for a reason, if Congress has a problem with the President they can impeach him, or they can propose a constitutional amendment for things like your proposal and hope enough states ratify it.

 

"negligent genocide'.

Doesn't imply deliberation, only incompetence, hence 'negligent'.

Estimates are estimates, what matters is what is known when the fog of chaos clears.

Moreover, I don't recall any official estimates for that many deaths in America being given, so can you provide a link ( making sure they weren't global estimates ) ?

I accept the premise of not creating ex post facto laws. I believe in that, however....

Let's also accept the fact that the founders didn't foresee everything, particularly 'negligent genocide'. where the negligence is due to a president's mindboggling stupidity, such as making statements like 'testing causes more deaths'. That is stupidity on a level that is criminal given the fact that when a virus comes, nipping it in the bud (noting that at the incipient stage, when nipping in the bud is realizable ) it will greatly lower the upward death trajectory. Resisting testing in the early stages caused the trajectory to accelerate much faster than it otherwise would have. When it got out of hand, then testing won't have as much of a diminishing effect because the herd has already left the barn, so to speak.

So, I believe a constitutional amendment ( for ex post facto ) should be carved out for acts where simple measures, measures that any normal and intelligent president would have enacted, measures would save hundreds of thousands of lives which were not done, but should have been done, such that not doing such is criminally stupid. See, no doubt Trump was counseled on testing at the early stages, but because it didn't have any legal consequence, but would increase a stat he perceived would reflect badly on him personally, he continued his resistance and ignored the advice. If an advisor had a law to throw at the president, 'but sir, if you continue to resist testing in the incipient stages you could be criminally liable for negligent genocide because of the new constitutional amendment.' he might have followed that advice and hundreds of thousands of lives might he been saved.

is that crazy? Off hand, it seems logical to me. Convince me I'm wrong.

 

No way. Trump, is above and away and beyond, the worst president in history.

You're making a mountain out of a molehill on the China thing. There are so many things about Trump that expose him as an existential threat to the nation and the world at large, well, dozens of books have already been written.

The critical point is at the beginning, when Trump resisted testing. Why? "testing causes covid stats to increase' ( yes, in the sense that they are learned about, but testing will prevent deaths and covid, in the long run, if done early enough to nip the virus in the bud ). This is stupidity on a level that, in my view, is criminal.

Trump also emasculated the pandemic response team put into place by Obama as a reaction to ebola virus. Obama also had a small book printed on dealing with the virus, and how to coordinate the team. Trump tossed it in the trash. Trump also told states they were on their own and did little to help them.

Biden wouldn't have resisted testing. Biden wouldn't have emasculated the pandemic response team, he wouldn't have tossed the Pandemic response booklet in the trash. Biden would have done more to help states.

In other post, I wrote the following ( which is relevant in some ways, but communicates some other points)

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...rump-distracted.593616/page-4#post-1073032409

And we don't have to go far to find out just how bad Trump was on the virus:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/10/opinion/donald-trump-coronavirus.html
Until this week I thought that Donald Trump’s disastrous mishandling of Covid-19 was basically negligence, even if that negligence was willful — that is, that he failed to understand the gravity of the threat because he didn’t want to hear about it and refused to take actions that could have saved thousands of American lives because actually doing effective policy isn’t his kind of thing.

But I was wrong. According to Bob Woodward’s new book, “Rage,” Trump wasn’t oblivious; he knew by early February that Covid-19 was both deadly and airborne. And this isn’t a case of conflicting recollections: Woodward has Trump on tape. Yet Trump continued to hold large indoor rallies, disparage precautionary measures and pressure states to reopen business despite the risk of infection.


And he’s still doing the same things, even now.

Let’s be clear: A private citizen who did what we now know Trump did would definitely be in big legal trouble. For example, think of the lawsuits likely brought against a corporate C.E.O. who knew that his company’s workplace was dangerous, but lied about it, refused to take any precautions and threatened workers with dismissal if they failed to come in.


Note that just about everyone on his staff, including himself, got Covid.

I'm only scratching the surface. I could easily give you 30,000 word essay and still be scratching the surface, on precisely how Trump is an existential threat, not to America, but the world, at large.

 

Seems to me you have way too much CNN on the TV.
65% of blacks and Latino's aren't getting vaccinated. Are they now Republicans?
People who already had the virus and survived, all 99.2% of them, have better immunity than the vaccine does. They don't want the shot. That includes Democrats.
So when you are done with the CNN regurgitations, you will figure out that not every law enforcement officer, Medical staff, federal employee, first responders, pilots, and air traffic controlers who refuse the shot are Republicans. They already had the virus.
Stop with the fake CNN claims

 

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