Bishop warns of new Islamic caliphate in Southeast Asia

Looky looky the Green troll emerges from the gloom of ignorance to give us all a lesson in... hatred, I guess.

Anyway, as no clearer demonstration can be made, here we have the comment of one who in no way other than previously labelling them as pretenders (as I continue to show) but immediately reduced to one incomplete paragraph to take offence. And what is it they try to pretend, the far more superior understanding of a discussion.

Just as those who become radicalised, this example of those who begin with offence is that when they can read offence into a comment they see nothing but that offence. Those who become radicalised see hate in the preaching they cling to that hatred.

Seriously, I am not sure how my point can be demonstrated any better with real life example than THIS. I know the toll won’t get it because they are just expecting to find insult hidden in every corner when in no way shape or form were they singled out or even vaguely pointed at. And YET they immediately took offence. Perfect timing…

 

Well that went down like a led balloon! You can't say you didn't try!

He spends his time trying to discredit everyone else it is absolutely entertaining to be honest. He just can't discuss without being offensive. At what stage does someone not realise that they cannot shape discourse on a forum. What's Einstein's definition of madness?

 

As pointed out, the trolls don't get it...

 

You can always ignore, but you can't help yourself

 

yes I could ignore but pointing out the obvious to the person I was conversing to emphasis my point is more interesting. BUT again the point is lost on you so not really much discussion could be had...

 

That's a very good point, and something that might indicate the 1st gen v 2nd gen dichotomy: 1st gen seem fine, even grateful of the opportunity, second gen goes out and blows stuff up.

Imagine your parents telling you all the time how lucky you are to be living in this great Western country. At the same time you are being socially hog-tied by the religious rules imposed by your parents, being told you are different to the rest of the society. So how do you rebel?

There's the guys on the internet saying "you're actually one of us", we're all being persecuted, the other guys that are drinking, partying and having sex are actually evil oppressors and that actually accords in some ways with the values that you were being told by your parents.

Seems obvious come to think of it.....

I found this article on it in America:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/13/second-generation-americans-proving-most-fruitful-/

Can't disagree.

It must be very hard for 1st gen immigrants to get to grips with raising a child in the West. I know myself that you want your children to have the experiences you had as a child, including the minor bad ones. Its weird but natural. There might be space there for some kind of friendly intervention, maybe part of an assimilation program for refugees and migrants.

 

Yes, the media will leap at anything that sells news, and ISIS knows how to play them accordingly. They are never going to stop calling it Islamic terrorism. It would be useful of there was an identifiable progressive Islamic counter-movement that could garner its own headlines, but there isn't.

Intense public ridicule of the terrorists and their ideology may be the answer. just need a comedian brave enough....

 

Muslims are clearly not exempt from their attacks, which is evident by what these animals are doing in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan etc.

The most vulnerable are Muslims themselves and any effort may have repercussions on their families at home and abroad. It would be an extremely tricky situation for a people who are innocent bystanders like the rest of us. Really, why should they be held responsible. It would be like holding the rest of Christianity responsible for the IRA's and KKK's actions. Look at the Catholic Church and child sexual abuse. Despite prevalence the Catholic Church collectively moves on unscathed by the action of a large bunch of sexually deprived weirdo's!

 

Very true, particularly if they "stray" from strict Islam.

This is where Christianity has a massive advantage. As organised, hierarchical churches it is easy for them to wheel out authority figures that can denounce errant actions, or ex-communicate or retire errant preachers, and thereby avoid the religion itself being called into question. We have grown accustomed to that and openly criticise the church when it doesn't denounce bad behaviours quickly enough.

But with Islam there is just deafening silence because they don't have the structure to respond. We hear that every time there's a crisis : "Where is the denouncement from the Muslim community?". Its there, just there is no-one in particular for journalists to interview. A few have tried to take the "community leadership" role now, and that helps, but they literally can't "speak for Muslims" (forbidden) and are not empowered to act.

Oddly, the time of the Caliphate did give authoritative structure to the religion, which Shia still has in Iran.The hierarchy comes from combining "church" and state in the Islamic state. So within ISIS territory, if you have a beef with the interpretation of Islam, you know who to complain to, and you would be most likely to receive a very prompt response.

An Islamic Republic is the democratic version of the caliphate, and so has a specific meaning in regard to Muslim religious authority.

SO another aspect of "Islam" adapting to live in the West is working out some manner to create an authority hierarchy without control of the state.

 

No offence but it seems that neither can you

 

All young generation want to establish themselves as a person aside from their parents and their family. They want to break free from the identity of parents and make their own identity somehow. The more notable the parent is the harder to establish oneself over the notability of their parents giving rise to the problem of how one person stands out when so many are trying to do the same thing.


May seem simplistic but the truth is family from an early age make it a very important to have ones own identity. SO how does one so young do so??? We hear that one way is to have a cause to stand out in that cause and demonstrate one’s ability in that cause. Now for the purpose of expediency I am stating cause as the standard, cause could be job, activity or just ideals. When you grow with that overshadowing presence of how to achieve and the inability to understand that it is not the cause but the mark you make. When you don’t see the results of the fight being undertaken of your parents to make your life better for their children it is hard to comprehend it. So the difference of first gen and second gen is a very prominent point in this issue.

Just as we see, when people don’t understand the sacrifices made by others which allow them to criticise that very sacrifice, the hatred created is just extreme, giving movement to the radicalisation. At first I wondered if you got my point but as I wrote I saw you had possibly the firmest grasp.

One of the issues with trying to show children the experiences we grew with is that we all experience things differently. The actions are the same, the issues are the same but each and every person feels and thinks differently than we do ourselves. We have to provide them with the tools from a very young age to take the experience and learn from it. That is teach them to think for themselves and question things themselves.

As I continue to point out, Australia has continued along the lines of teaching what to think NOT how to think. This is the biggest and known issue the government has to address of the side effects of their education policy. I know the ALP/Green drones think I attack them with this policy they promote but it is truly a policy of ALL political parties to build supporter bases and control the masses. Dumb them down and convince them your party is the best, the ALP\Greens coalition are just not educated enough to disguise their motives while the Coalition with the identical policy motive have covered their tracks well.


If you consider this as a serious problem such as I do, the problem is generational and possibly impossible to solve while the Coalition can hide the truth of the policy they promote. I just don’t know…

 

Absolutely. I have both green and left-wing sympathies, but the way the progressives carry on is disgraceful. They seem to think they are right just because they want to do the right thing, so then they are justified to do illiberal or wrong things. Its fcuked up.

And its the same problem with radical Islam, as well as fundamentalist Christians and anti-Semite activists. Its a failure to listen to and appreciate other views, and an unseemly eagerness to condemn.

I'm afraid I don't know about Australian politics first hand, but I'm guessing the pattern is the same across the English-speaking world, and possibly the Western world: that critical thinking is taking back stage to value signalling. Its the age of stoopidd.

 

Oh I agree with intense public ridicule.

 

Eh, YOUR A GREENY... I jest, but seriously, there would appear to be a great chasm between your stated Ideals in politics and the Australian similar statement. Funny enough We have considerable agreement and I am in no way leftist or a Green.

Political patterns are much the same, and yes my point on radical Islam is not isolated to Islam. The fact is, in Australia Christianity is about 70% of the population, and if we consider the radicalisation, or religious psychology the hidden Christian radical element his hidden by diagnosis of psych issues such as schizophrenia or the like. I know from personal experience that there is a large number of people who fit the radical element in Christianity in a predominantly Christian society with these diagnosis.

SO you point out a very valuable point of radicalisation, it is NOT predominantly Islamic but it is signal minded in its focus. This is the problem with how to understand and treat the disease of radicalisation (for lack of better terms)


When the world should be getting smarter and learning from the past, it certainly is the age of stupidity, I agree…

 

I suspect that might be why the reaction to the Danish cartoons was so out of proportion compared to other Western violations of Islamic sensibilities. Ridicule is the Achilles' heal of fundamentalists.

I believe it was inappropriate and short-sighted for progressives to defend Muslim sensibilities on that issue. The right to lampoon is fundamental to western democracy.

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Well there you have it. Finally have it on record. It's actually good Garry, you no longer have to pretend

By the way I don't think Latherty was actually suggesting he was a greeny or leftist.

In any instance you are free!

 

I am not sure what you think you have, nor do I care. I don't believe you have to talk for other posts on what they are stating and since you clearly missed the intent of the statement, Have little credibility to re-iterate what was being suggested. I am well aware of what Latherty was saying, it seems that it is you who does not.


As for pretending, from the obvious mistake of assuming incorrectly that a statement is saying something other than what it is, that would suggest different focus on the attempt at insult...

That ideal of suggestion of discussion you wish to pretend just took another hit from your clear trolling…


Again the clear demonstration of what both Latherty and myself concur on, “Its the age of stoopidd” And here is one who personifies the sentiment.

 

I think it is quite clear on all regards!