Black Folks---Listen up

Discussion in 'Race Relations' started by Moriah, Jun 19, 2020.

  1. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    So, if the widely recognized Hispanic/Latino Culture in your opinion is not a thing, then is there no such thing as African American Culture as well?

    You'll probably dodge that question like you did, "are you saying that African Americans do not have a legitimate complaint that they are treated differently than whites in the US of A?" with "I would want your definition; "treated differently" by whom and compared to what? "
    Treated differently is not the same, by whom is the US of A and compared to what is whites. It's all there and you didn't answer it.

    Blacks who do succeed are not immune from being "treated differently". They may overcome it but at a price that is unnecessary and one you don't think is even there. Here is deGrasse Tyson on the subject.
     
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    That is a very difficult question and a term that requires definition.

    I did not dodge it at all. I ask you to define the terms you are working with so that I can better address the question you are asking. However, if you go back to post #296 and read it again, you will see that I actually did give my opinion on the matter.

    I do not agree with your premise. Only racists treat different races differently.

    That is bollox. Truly successful people do not give a damn about what losers have to say about them. They keep doing what they want and keep excelling.
     
  3. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    Your inability to answer two simple questions seems to me ideological. An ideology when confronted with real world questions no longer can give rational answers to it and lapses into denial.
     
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    What are you talking about? I have answeeed your question in #296 already and am not going to repeat myself.

    You would not know neither reality nor rational answers if they were shoved up your butt.

    You are a racist and I am not interested in talking to racists anyways.
     
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    1. that first line is just blather that seeks to side step the reality of what I stated. And you can't BS the reader who sees the chronology of the posts....YOU inserted your examples to support your premise....that I point to the reality of the situation just frustrates you to the point of falsely representing what I wrote...you fail. And no one gives a damn (much less believe)what you claim to be "part of"....the vast majority of folk who are deemed "minorities" are PHYSICALLY IDENTIFIED. Case in point, Halle Berry related the story of asking her white mother how she should be identified. Mom told her that her physical presence will always be tallied as "black" by American society, so that would be her main identity. President Obama despite his mom's racial/ethnic identity won't be mistaken for one of the Osmond's. So your little smoke screen gets dissipated.

    2. Okay, let me put it this way......what has been achieved by a few does NOT magically clear the plate for the many. 52 years isn't enough time to change a 2 century plus system of bigotry and racism. If that were the case, then you wouldn't STILL have legal filings for cases or "red lining", etc., in America. Got that?

    3. Nice platitude that is a dodge to just conceding a point (of which you'll claim ignorance of....a sad tactic in a printed medium).

    4. YOU brought her into the conversation to make a generalization. HISTORY verifies what I stated as fact. That you don't like it is of no consequence. Also, you may want to check out the phrase "blue eye soul" music to get a better perspective of the topic at hand.

    5. Figures. You STILL don't have the courage to concede a point. See #3.

    6. I agree you are shoveling a lot of BS. History dealing with black, native American, Chinese begs to differ. Your bias is showing strong.
     
  6. kungfuliberal

    kungfuliberal Well-Known Member

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    Prove it. Show us where the police in the last 30 years have killed innocent white folk or used unnecessary/deadly force on whites for misdemeanors or minor infractions of the law like they have on black folk. The reading audience awaits.
     
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    @kungfuliberal
    You clearly do not even believe in reality, so it is rather ironic (to say the least) that you accuse me of being out of touch with it. Clearly, to you, there is only the phenomenal world consisting of a "Black experience", a "Whte experience" and an "Asisan experience" etc etc.To you, there is no objective relaity.

    The reason racism prevails is because people like you lack the tools to combat it since you share the same philosophy as the racists. Fundamentally, you are racists too and that is just something very, very, very evil that needs to go away.

    See, you cannot even comprehend the basic idea of individualism, your instinctive reflex is one of dismissiveness and ridicule - You wave it off because to you an individual is only to be regarded for what racial collective you can push them into by looking at their physical traits.

    Skin colour/race is completely irrelevant and insignificant to existence and anyone who is serious about defeating racism should embrace this premise and start spreading individualism.

    And as far as your notion that "real minorities a physically defined goes", I will say three things:
    1. I am not a fan of eugenics, but am not surprised that you and Hitler are in full agreement.

    2. My case remains stronger than ever even with this attempted rebuttal since the physical differences between individuals are far greater than those between groups. ;)

    If you do not understand that the individual is the smallest minority, you need to sort out your racist premises.

    3. I am still, by your racist definitions, a minority. I mean, to me, my ethnic lineage has zero meaning, but I know that there are lots of racists like you out there who think it is the only thing that defines me.
     
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    If you don’t read the newspaper you are uninformed. If you read the news paper you are misinformed. That still applies today.

    Most of the outrages today fall to misinformation.
     
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    Is he serious?
     
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    Not only do Police kill twice as many whites as blacks in the line of duty. But blacks murder blacks at five times the rate that whites murder whites. More alarming is that blacks murder whites at roughly twelve times the rate that whites murder blacks. It's all about behavior. For decades the leftist media has been spreading the propaganda that blacks are victims of a racist society. But the facts show the opposite to be true. Blacks are the victimizers of society and of themselves.
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    Before you bail....
    #296 was the answer to, "are you saying that African Americans do not have a legitimate complaint that they are treated differently than whites in the US of A?" So unable to get a straight answer I assume the answer is no. 85% of blacks believe the country has not made enough changes to give blacks equal rights with whites. Your disregard of their opinion, people who are living it, is demeaning to the entire race.

    I would be interested in your definition of racist. Me bringing up race issues is racist and you denying there is a race problem or even a race despite the feelings of a large group who identify themselves as African Americans isn't racist?
     
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    Imagine that, the people who are doing the least for their own cause won't admit to it. As already listed there are more programs and special allotments for blacks than any other race, yet they "feel" like they don't get enough.

    Shocking.
     
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    Yes, isn't that what you said I did not answer?

    I highly question that number and also am very doubtful about the legitimacy of that study. The only reason for Blacks to feel that way that I can see is that academia spews a lot of nonsense these days and "if the intellectual say so, it must be true."

    I do not believe there is any such thing as "my definition" and "your definition" because I do not exist in the kind of fog most people seem to exist in. I use words accurately and the accurate definition of racism is simply when one places "race" as the primary unit of existence and only judges an individual based on their superficial traits and internal body chemistry (i.e. their skin tone).

    Basically, racism is when you claim "race" has metaphysical significance.

    The premise from which you address these problems is inherently collectivistic; What matters is which racial group you can lump individuals together into and whatever similarities they have- and the differences between them and people of other colours is due to "race". This is profoundly racist.

    I am not denying that there are people who identify themselves as "African Americans", I am denying that it has any kind of real world significance. It really does not matter what "race" someone is because that is not the basis on which we judge them.

    If I were to list 100 reasons Beyonce is an accomplished artist, her skin tone would not be on that list. In fact, I could list a trillion reasons and her skin tone would still not be on the list.

    I bet you are someone who thinks Beyonce winning a Grammy is "Good for the Black Community" or that AOC's popularity is "Good for the Latino Community". Aren't you? Now you tell me how that is different from the White Nationalist who sees Jews in every corner or the "Racial Realist" who thinks "skin tone = IQ = success".

    I am truly appalled by the collectivism of modern society and I am not at all surprised that racism prevails when everyone who is in the battle gives up to tribalist narratives that placrs race in the cenrre of attention and as the primary unit of existence.

    Whatever happened to colour-blindness?

    Beyonce is Black - So what? MLK and Douglas were Black -So what? Degrasse Tyson and Sowell are Black - So what? AOC is Latina - So what? I really, really, really, really do not see how a person's internal body chemistry would be relevant to their existence.
     
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    Yeah, imagine being shocked that a government programme is insufficiant. :lol:
     
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    Speaking of spreading propaganda.....
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    Speaking of living in a fog or so removed from African Americans that you are without context. Superficial traits are what they are at times judged by and that is the problem. Your denial of that is without real world evidence; it is an ideological conceit, along with your unique definition of racism.

    Blacks and Latinos have their own cultures and they celebrate and are proud of their cultures. That is reality no matter how you disagree with it. They want a level playing field, which is only fair. They believe they don't have one and there is plenty of evidence to prove it to rational minds. Breaking barriers by members of their culture is thought of as a positive thing for those who will come after and a motivating force but you think that is the same as white nationalism...sick.
     
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    That's irrelevant. There are five times as many whites as blacks. Of course it will appear to be a lower risk. But in fact twice as many whites as blacks are killed by Police in the line of duty.
     
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    This thread is racism full throttle!
     
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    Only difference is Blacks make heroes and peers out of thugs and drug users. (Don't ask for examples, there are too many). Latinos don't tend to do that.
     
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    and that is largely because they make heroes out of black criminals.
     
  21. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    More racist assumptions?
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    It's irrelevant? Maybe to you, who either doesn't understand it or ideologically in denial. There are nearly 8 times as many whites in the US as blacks and you think police killing twice as many whites somehow proves something? You have skewed sense of proportionality.

    BTW earlier in this OP (#147) I proved that whites and blacks proportionally commit nearly the same amount of crime.
     
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    There are five times as many whites, not eight times as many. And yes, that twice as many whites as blacks are killed by Police proves quite a bit. It proves that those killings aren't racist. It proves that twice as many whites as blacks suffer loss. And it proves that the media driven racism notion is bs. Furthermore, even though there are five times as many whites as blacks..... The numbers of murders within the races are numerically the same. Which means that blacks murder blacks at five times the rate that whites murder whites. Beyond that is even worse, in that blacks murder two and a half times as many whites as whites murder blacks. Seeing that there are five times as many whites, this means that blacks murder whites at twelve times the rate that whites murder blacks. Consequently blacks are not victims of society or of whites. In fact they are the victimizers of themselves, of whites and of society in general. That a minority could cause so much damage is a shame upon them, not a condemnation upon the remainder. And it is self serving and criminalistic to think otherwise. Fool yourself to your own sorrow. If you want a source for woe, look no further than the unholy alliance of blacks with the Democrat party. Before that, all the markers put blacks on par with whites. High school graduation rates, marriage and divorce rates, employment and unemployment rates, crime and incarceration rates, and out of wedlock birth rates were all par between blacks and whites before blacks allied with the Democrat party.
     
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    There are MORE Whites than Blacks in America. See how simple that was?
     
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    Thank you.
     

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