Black Folks---Listen up

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  1. (original)late

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    As a matter of science, race is meaningless.

    But as a political, and cultural, matter race is one of the core controversies of the era. Which means as long as Blacks are treated differently, a color blind policy simply won't work.
     
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    Well, this tread kept the vestiges of racism going pretty good. Congratulations Not.
     
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    No, that is not how it is done.

    We do not sit back and passively wait for someone else to defeat racism and until someone does that just accept things as they are. That is just foolish.

    Colour-blindness works and it is the only way forwards. You can start being that here and now.
     
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    That was weird...

    Defeating racism means dealing with the damage that was done in the past. There is one city in the South with really good mass transit. Unfortunately it doesn't go to where most of the Blacks live. All they get is a single bus line, and to get them to where the jobs are, they will need about a hundred times what they have now.

    It means bringing their schools up to standard, making sure they get regular health care, and more.

    Your advocacy of passivity is pointless.
     
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    Yes. Get government out of their lives and community and stop seeing them.as "Blacks".-

    I am not advocating passivity, you are.
     
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    Now that you know I want to improve infrastructure, health care, education, and several other things, that is not passive.

    Which means you are lying now.

    Without government intervention, apartheid would return, with racial terrorism right behind.
     
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    Yes because apartheid was totally not imposed by government.
     
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    FYI, it's pronounded Onjune with a French accent because I am French Indian or native American thru my Dad, and French thru my Mom. Hence, Injeun. Do take note of my avatar which is a native American hunting buffalo. Sooooo, the racism you perceive resides within your own heart and mind.
     
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    State government..

    When the terrorism started, after the Civil War, the Federal army was sent to restore peace. When they left, that started an era of horrific terror, over a thousand died, somewhere between one and two million driven out of the South, and lots more.
     
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    Kungfuliberal is just here to lecture us dumb mimorities who need some intellectual who has never even spent any actual time with minorities and who only views them as a hord of momolithic animals as (s)he observes them from the ivory tower far away from where they live. :)
     
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    Actually, like religious folks have "faith" that their beliefs will eventually become reality and explain all, scientist have "faith" that their methodology (the scientific method) will eventually explain reality. Never the twain shall meet, but maybe if they have a nice phone conversation they could really figure things out.

    Oh, and by the way...the OP was and still is on target.
     
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    Your insipid stubbornness is only surpassed by the sheer stupidity of your "philosophy". Your last sentence is a classic display of convoluted logic. THINK, genius, THINK....if you recognize a problem that is specifcally defined by and intertwined with the racial make up of a community, how do you pretend otherwise in order to solve the problem? THAT has been the problem with the majority population of the USA (something you apparently are ignorant or in denial of) in it's efforts to "normalize" the indigenous inhabitants and people they enslaved. Similar things were done to the aboriginal folk in Australia. That is why America is STILL coming to grips with it's congenital racism and bigotry. Then jokers like you come along and essentially throw a hissy fit that anyone dare point out the reality of life, and put forth all types of drivel that essentially absolves you and your compadres of the perpetration of the causes of such problems (i.e., congenital racism).

    Which each post you further reveal what a 3rd rate David Duke propagandist you are. All you're doing is just regurgitating the SOS. We did that dance, sweetpea...and you're just tripping over your own feet (that you quickly fell back to identify your own racial/ethnic identity when you thought it proved your blather throws out your entire case....but like all proud videots, you'll never concede what's in print.

    The OP stands valid....your blathering does not. Commiserate with your like minded compadres. I'm done wasting time and space on you. Goodnight, Gracie.
     
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    Ok Boomer.

    If a society has a problem with racism, the solution to that problem - believe it or not - is not more racism.

    The problem is thatnAmerica gave up the individualism of its founding and instead shifted to tribalism. Both The Left and The Right are today emphasising race and ascribing to it meaning that it does not actually have. As long as both sides hold this collectivist attitude and keep claiming that race is a relevant concept, racism will never go away.

    We have to judge individuals notnas members of groups, but as individuals. This is actually very simple, but for some reason no one in the mainstream is doing it.

    Who are my "comprades" in this battle? I do not see anyone who is advocating volour-blindness. All I see is people who claim race is relevant.

    I still do not understand how denying the existence of race is something you associate with David Duke. David Dick is a racist piece of poop who thinks the only thing that matters in life is race and that society consists of homogenous and monolithic racial collectives who compete in a zero sum game.

    I do not give a damn about "my ethnicity". You are just too dumb to understand sarcasm.

    Goodnight, Boomer.
     
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    Scientists do not have faith. They use reason and evidence to present their conclusions.

    Faith is all superstition and mysticism that neglects both the human mind and free will.
     
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    The reason you are not seeing that is although that was the concept that propelled the US civil rights movement ("content of our character" and all that), ultimately, the reality that legal equality didn't bring economic and social equality lead to the concept being discarded by the civil rights movement. It had served it's purpose. Now, the idea that race shouldn't matter and that we shouldn't take race in as a factor is the providence of old Republican boomers and virtually no one else.

    So currently, race is the ONLY thing that matters in US politics. Every "racial" and ethnic minority has had it drilled into them that where they are is solely a result of melanin levels, it explains the weird cognitive dissonance is which woke progressives feel that there is no such thing as race AND race is the only thing that matters.
     
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    And that is a very sad development. Sadly, not even the GOP are advocating individual rights these days. They too haven fallen for the rule of the collectivist and are spouting Nationalist nonsense more often than not.

    Yes, it is indeed a great paradox that not recognising race as a valid concept is now being labelled as racist. It is very bizarre and sadly, I see America moving towards more and more authoritarianism. The future "strong man" will be someone who unites Left and Right by advocating Environmrntalism, Nationalism and Religion.

    The future does not look bright at all. Nobody believes in Freedom, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness anymore.
     
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    Self governing polities eventually do succumb to authoritarianism; it's more or less an inevitable process. But I'm not wise enough to guess what form it will take.
     
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    The future authoritarian will have to be able to unite Right and Left to gain support and establish his rule. And by observing the contemporary trends in politics we can see that what both camps already agree on is; free trade is bad and collectivism. The major difference is one between Environmentalism on The Left and Nationalism and Religion on The Right, so my prediction is that all of these ideas will baked and packaged into one:

    By talking about free trade as bad for both environment andbAmerica and by emphasising the divinity of the nation and its tribe and connecting it to "America's beautiful nature" and "Christian values", the future authoritarian will be able to gain support from everyone.
     
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    You are right to an extent. It is just going to be harder to overcome the democrat socialist communist utopians. It will be impossible for a few years if they gain the Senate.
     
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    The Republicans are not much better. Sadly.
     
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    I don't know. We elected a lot of woman who I think have some balls.
     
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    Meh, gender is irrelevant. What matters is principles and values and sadly there is none of either in the Republican Party.
     
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    I see your view, a uniting of left and right, far fetched. More likely one side dominates the other, and since the left controls all of the major institutions in the US, my guess would probably lean more to a leftist authoritarian state. The only way I see getting a rightest authoritarian state in the US is if, after enough persecution, a civil war is ignited and the right improbably wins.
     
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    It is not my view. It is my fear!
     

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