I think "white people" understand just fine that the "entire African American community has had enough and they want change." However facts, data, and the statistics derived from that matter, and the data have shown, over and over, that Black people are not the particular targets of racist cops. I think it's a tough push for people to accept that, but they're going to have to. Reality matters, even if you don't like it.
Here's what's important--"It is a large segment of the population who have lost faith in and mistrust a branch of government sworn to protect the public and uphold the law. We have people on here that belittle and minimize that.".....as you dismiss and minimize their opinion. In other words you just can't take the opinion of the black community seriously.
That's not at all what I said. I agreed with you that you described the opinions of the majority of African Americans. I simply think the data overwhelmingly shows that they're opinion is wrong.
87% of Africans Americans believe the legal system is biased against them and you, a white guy, say they are wrong? Dismissive is it not? "In other words you just can't take the opinion of the black community seriously."
“According to the Justice Department, blacks die of homicide at six times the rate of whites and Hispanics combined. That’s because blacks commit homicide at eight times the rate of whites and Hispanics combined … In the 75 largest counties of the United States, which is where most of the population resides, blacks commit over 50 percent of all violent crime, though they’re 15 percent of the population in those counties,” she said. “These crime disparities are repeated in every big American city. Here in New York, blacks commit 75 percent of all shootings, though they’re 23 percent of the population. How do we know that? That’s what the victims of and witnesses to those shootings, who are overwhelmingly minority themselves, tell the police.” https://www.rlslawyers.com/experts-spar-over-data-suggesting-blacks-commit-more-crimes/ You can certainly take statistics seriously.
I'm unclear why you think an opinion, even a majority one, trumps data to your mind. If 100% of people believe something that's incorrect, it's still incorrect.
I will not speak for anyone else. In Scandinavia no one is executed and no one is punished without a trial.
Hurt People Hurt People. That is true for people of any race. Scandinavia provides help for all people in need -- thus they have much lower crime rate. Racism causes resentment among those discriminated against -- like African Americans in USA or Jews in USSR.
What neither of you seem to get is crime is caused by a small proportion of the black community and usually those in or near poverty. 55% of blacks are middle class and above and the majority of them fear, mistrust and are less likely to cooperate with the police because these law abiding people have personally seen or know of mistreatment by the police. So their opinion matters.....but not to you apparently.
No I get that the crime is, as you say, "caused by a small proportion of the black community and usually those in or near poverty." I don't think anyone was disagreeing with that. That fairly well describes the black people who have altercations with cops and come out the worse for it. So that makes the fact that, again as you say, "55% of blacks are middle class and above and the majority of them fear, mistrust and are less likely to cooperate with the police" when that's not where the crime problem lies. The fact that middle class, law abiding black people think they are one traffic stop away from being filled with police lead is, as we've discussed, an opinion (or perhaps more accurately a feeling), but not the reality. This is the third post in a row in which you've argued, in one form or another, that opinion and perception trumps reality and data. Your position seems to be that you don't care about facts, only feelings, and that's good enough. Well OK. I don't have feelings to offer to this discussion, and you've been pretty clear you find facts and data irrelevant, so there you are.
If you were paying attention, the "data" applies to a small portion of the population, the "reality" of mistreatment applies to the rest of the population and in their opinion it is unfair. So in effect opinion does trump data. More dismissiveness.
What you can't seem to understand is the culture issue. You can give people free money and all kinds of help and it doesn't amount to anything. Over 1/3 of all black men are convicted felons. Just because someone mistrusts the police is no excuse for criminal behavior and ignoring that is part of the problem.
No, the ""reality" of mistreatment" doesn't apply to the rest of the population. But at least you ultimately seemed to agree with my summation of your argument, that opinion and feeling matter more than data.
Except we executed 22 last year. It goes without saying mistrust of police is no excuse to break the law...that's obvious. So what you are saying African Americans are to blame for mistreatment and unprofessional behavior by the police. No, the "reality" of mistreatment does apply to the rest of the population. That is the problem.
i am 100% saying that AA are to blame for how they’re handled. Does it not seem a little odd that the recent shootings over the years occur when people are breaking the law and refuse to comply? When 13% of the US population commits over 80% of violent crime, it’s not the cops fault. In fact, a huge portion of police officers are black. The biggest danger isn’t from police, it’s OTHER AA people. There’s your answer, this is a culture problem.
So an unarmed person running from the police deserves to be shot in the back i.e. a death sentence. It's not the cops fault. I think we have a huge difference in morality here. Speaking of huge, there is not a huge portion of black cops and most black officers think changes need to be made for equal treatment of blacks.
Black Americans are killed at a much higher rate than White Americans Although half of the people shot and killed by police are White, Black Americans are shot at a disproportionate rate. They account for less than 13 percent of the U.S. population, but are killed by police at more than twice the rate of White Americans. Hispanic Americans are also killed by police at a disproportionate rate. The rate at which black Americans are killed by police is more than twice as high as the rate for white Americans. 1,337killed(total) 936killed 2,576killed 220killed Black32 per million Hispanic24 per million White13 per million Other4 per million
However... "In Chicago, blacks commit about 80% of all shootings and murders, and whites less than 2%, though both blacks and whites are each a little less than a third of the population. In St. Louis, blacks commit up to 100% of all homicides, though they are less than 50% of the population." "Blacks resist arrest at four times the rate of whites, according to one study; a decade’s worth of data show that black males make up over 40% of all cop-killers, though they are 6% of the national population." When you resist arrest, anything can happen. Statistically, the fact that Blacks "are killed by police at more than twice the rate of White Americans" is a amazing considering the resisting arrest rate. That shows the police are doing a great job.
Understand the point. However, that is not a accurate depiction of what is happening. It is merely the end result. In order to have a better idea, you have to look at crime statistics, as this is what has a direct correlation to the number of arrests / arrest attempts made. Unfortunately, the black population while only 13% of the population, is committing on average 40-50% of all violent crimes, and around 30-35% of all crimes. So it makes sense that while only 13% of the population, they will be over represented in all arrest statistics as they are over represented in their crime rate. It is a more accurate representation to compare police killings of blacks to their crime rates as that is what determines how many interactions/arrest, etc happen each year. As more black per million are being arrested for crimes, than whites or Hispanic, it stands to reason that the police killings of blacks will also be represented higher in per million. And I have not even broached the fact that Blacks seem to resist arrest much higher than any other race. Resisting arrest, armed or not, black or white or brown, is a great way to get yourself killed.
nobody said anything about unarmed felons. Moving the goalposts isn’t working. What you’re also missing is that since blacks commit a hugely disproportionate amount of crimes, there will be a lot more interactions with the police. Acting like a nutbag is what gets people shot, obeying lawful orders doesn’t.
your stats dont paint the full picture since white folks are generally found not guilty due to being able to afford the better lawyers since white folks earn proportionately higher incomes. if incomes were the same then youd find the sentencing would be more proportionate.
When charged with white collar crimes that may be true, but the same "attorney will be provided for you" works for white and black people. So, that's a pretty good picture. Choosing crime as your source of income is exactly how you get the attention of the police in the first place.
the defendant has to hire a lawyer, so it stands to reason that since white folk earn 40% more on average they can afford better lawyers which is why we see disproportionate sentencing in america in terms of race.
simple example: iam in court next month but cant afford a lawyer so im defending myself and will possibly lose as im not a trained lawyer. if iwere wealthy, as white folks in america are then iwould hire a good lawyer and will most likely be found not guilty since ihave a good case.
