Black Homicide Victimization in the Great Lakes States

"For black victims of homicide, like all victims of homicide, guns — usually handguns — are far and away the number-one murder tool. Successful efforts to reduce America’s black homicide toll, like America’s homicide toll as a whole, must put a focus on reducing access and exposure to firearms."
http://vpc.org/studies/greatlakes18.pdf

Why is the black homicide victimization rate so high in these states?

 

Clearly, they're not.

If the VPC is supplying the information, you can safely assume it's diametrically opposed to actual fact.

 

Present sources that are not the violence policy center, and then the matter can be discussed. It does not matter how credible the violence policy center may be regarded on the part of yourself, that same sentiment is not shared by others. Find independent sources that cover the message.

 

Why do whites, who have by far the highest level of legal gun ownership per capita, have so much lower rates of gun violence, than blacks, who have the lowest per capita, rate of legal gun ownership?

 

Are you ignoring gun suicides?

 

I think stricter gun laws could result in a significant drop in the black homicide victimization rate. Look at the UK where it is much lower.

Here are some of Michael Moore's thoughts on the matter in Stupid White Men:

"Nonetheless, we have about a quarter-billion guns in our homes, owned - that is, introduced into society- by white people. Each year about 500,000 guns are stolen, mostly from these same white people in the suburbs. And the vast majority of those guns end up in the inner city, sold cheaply or traded for legal or illegal goods and service.

"These white guns have caused an enormous amount of death and suffering among African-Americans. Gunfire is the number one cause of death among young blacks. Black men between the ages of fifteen and twenty-four are almost six times more likely to be shot to death than white men in that same age group.

"No African-American owns a gun company. Cruise through the part of your town where African-Americans live: there are no gun factories there. At prices that range from several hundred to several thousand dollars, most African-Americans can't afford to buy a Glock, Beretta, Luger, Colt, or Smith & Wesson. No black guy owns a plane that's smuggling automatic weapons into the country.

"All of this is done by whites. But sooner or later, thousands of these legally purchased guns end up in the hands of desperate people who live in poverty and who live with their own set of fears. To introduce guns into this volatile environment- which we white people have done little to improve- is a deadly proposition.

"So if you're white, and you'd like to help reduce the number one cause of death among young black men, here's the answers: Don't buy a gun. Don't keep one in your house or car. No guns laying means no guns stolen to be resold in poor black neighborhoods. Chill out, sit back, and enjoy the good life an unlevel-playing-field has given you. If you're truly concerned about your protection, get a dog. Bad guys generally don't want to tussle with a crazy barking animal with sharp teeth."

 

Sorry, don't want to help

 

Suicide is indeed being ignored as it is not relevant to the topic of discussion set by yourself. The topic of discussion, as per the title, is homicide, not suicide. Therefore any mention of suicide, even if it is mentioned on the part of yourself, is off topic from the discussion.

 

Not when the ones committing the homicides are already legally prohibited from possessing firearms under any circumstances. The majority of all black-on-black violence involves those who are already felons and career criminals, therefore there is nothing more that can actually be done.

As was the case even before firearm-related restrictions were implemented. As would be expected due to a much lower percentage of the population in the united kingdom actually being black.

The opinions of Michael Moore and the like are of no relevance.

Nothing more than blaming white individuals for the crimes of black individuals. As if somehow it is the fault of the victim of a crime for the actions of the criminal. Such is no different than blaming the victim of sexual assault for antagonizing their rapist and provoking them to commit sexual assault.

 

Michael Moore is an idiot, a liar, and devoid of credibility.

 

When I got to this post, I absent-mindedly skipped over the first few lines and started at "Nonetheless." I was immediately struck by the ridiculousness of the assertions - the twisting of criminality and victimhood. The further I went, the worse it got, and the more I wondered about the mental gymnastics required to make one's mind produce such nonsensical un-reality.

When I finished the last paragraph, I went back to the top to see who had written such tripe. Galileo, I must tell you that a sense of relief went through me when I realized that this was a quote from Michael Moore. I am glad to know you didn't author those thoughts because I know you are way smarter than that.

 

Because we need more aggressive dogs roaming around...

Are you really trying to suggest that someone who cant be trusted with an inanimate object can be trusted with a dangerous animal?

 

I don't get what this has to do with guns. Do blacks disproportionately own more handguns than whites? Seems to me the problem is blacks like killing each other more than any other group in America and blaming it on guns won't change that...

 

It is a demonstrating of the paradoxical nature of humans. They make every effort to increase their numbers through rapid reproduction no different than cockroaches, while simultaneously doing anything and everything to kill one another off in the largest numbers possible.

 

Guns make already existing problems worse. Guns make it more likely that people who want to kill each other will be successful. I bet we could reduce the homicide rate by at least 50% if we got rid of guns.

 

So why should they be trusted with firearms?

 

Do you suffer from Cynophobia?

 

There is no evidence that guns make it worse, guns just make it easier for criminals to commit crimes. White folks own more handguns and kill fewer people per capita, this isn't a gun thing. It never is, but you folks can't figure out the real problem, so I can't expect you'll ever figure out how to fix it...

 

Guns are part of the problem.

 

No they aren't. That's like blaming the nails if a hurricane takes your roof off...

 

You have been proven wrong:

"Our review of the academic literature found that a broad array of evidence indicates that gun availability is a risk factor for homicide, both in the United States and across high-income countries. Case-control studies, ecological time-series and cross-sectional studies indicate that in homes, cities, states and regions in the U.S., where there are more guns, both men and women are at a higher risk for homicide, particularly firearm homicide."
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/

 

That proves nothing, the inclination to murder is required, the tool is irrelevant. Murder has been around since the beginning of time, its been illegal for a lot of that time, yet it persists. Homer said the same thing about blades, and murder persists. These 'studies' are a joke...

 

I bet we could do that if we made killing illegal and more people followed the law.

 

Which is nothing more than wishful thinking since firearms are not going to go anywhere. Their numbers cannot be reduced by any meaningful degree, and the number of firearms in private circulation is growing by a rate of approximately forty one thousand more each day.

The above also ignores one of the basic aspects of human nature. Since day one of its existence, the species has been looking for and developing ever-more creative and effective ways of killing itself. The species is bent on nothing less than total self-destruction, and will not stop until it accomplishes that goal. Restricting firearms will do no good, as the desire and intent will still remain, and killings will continue unabated.

 

Are firearms going anywhere in the foreseeable future, that will render them inaccessible to all human beings? Will those who have knowledge of firearms manufacture be executed to insure that no new firearms can ever be produced? Will the machinery used in the construction of firearms be destroyed to prevent them from ever being utilized again?

Beyond that, how exactly is it being proposed on the part of yourself to remove firearms from the possession of those who already have them, but legally cannot possess them under any circumstances? Those individuals cannot be legally compelled to surrender them, nor can they be required to register and license them, as such is prohibited by the united states constitution.

There is simply nothing that can be done about the matter. It is not simply that there are no easy solutions available, but rather it is that there are no solutions whatsoever. That is a simple fact of the real world.