Black Jesus. <<Mod Warning Issued>>

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  1. ptif219

    ptif219 Well-Known Member

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    Not Black
     
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    ptif219 Well-Known Member

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    You show you do not understand

    https://faithfullymagazine.com/jesus-olive-skin-short-hair-what-did-he-wear/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olive_skin
     
  3. Bjorn

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    Nonsense. Meso Americans weren't black, and Obama has nothing to do with Meso Americans. Sudan wasn't a nation in ancient egyptian times. The Nubians otoh were, and are, are Kushitic people who are the oldest people in that region (like in Europe, Africa also has major population migrations over the centuries, notably Bantu-speaking peoples). The Nigerian football player you added a photo of, does not look like a Nubian. Nubian people look more Ethiopians than they do any Nigerian, both of them being Kushitic peoples, hence the reference to the current WHO head. So, unless your version of ancient Jesus hopped on a UFO or teleported himself from all the way from the West African coast, to ancient Judea and Palestine... you're just regurgitating Black Athena nonsense. Stop trying to claim other people's history for yourself, whether that be Kushitic people or Jewish people.
     
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    Instead of showing a photo of someone from the other side of the African continent for how people of the ancient Kushitic kingdom (or empire after the conquest of Egypt), nevermind ancient Jews, here's a picture of a Nubian:

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  5. Esau

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    lets use your logic again, according to you the ppl who live in an area today are the EXACT SAME PPL from 2,000 yeras ago. THEREFORE, meso americans are originally black!

    south africans are originally white! using bjornlogic

    londoners are originally black using bjornlogic

    jews are originally white using bjornlogic

    this kind rhetoric is looking remarkably like a juveniles. are you using google translate?

    nothing changes ever according to bjornworld. sudan was actually the nation closely tied to ancient egypt both geographically and politically, not ethiopia and it would have had a bigger impact in shaping Israel due to this allegiance with Aegypt. do you know much about sudan? ithink it would totally blow your mind and your understanding of africa. also you could look at uganda, did you know uganda is the source of ancient egypts wealth and prosperity?

    the picture of jayjay okocha is a picture of what biblical israelites would have looked like 2,000s ago not nubian. although that is also what nubians would have looked like.

    look at south africans and brits, they look exactly the same yet thousands of miles away. your logic assumes that the white south africans and brits look nothing alike and that its impossible for brits to travel to south africa because HUMANS HAVE BEEN IN ISOLATION DUE TO CORONAVIRUS FOR 2000 YEARS!

    PLEASE TAKE YOUR MANDELA AFFECTED RANTS TO ANOTHER TOPIC.
     
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    we have a pretty good idea what he would have looked like since we know what the biblical jews looked like, he would have been very similar since he was their king, we also have a description of him in revelations. looks like someone with cornrows and a deep bronze complexion..

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    THIS IS WHAT AN ANCIENT ISRAELITE WOULD HAVE LOOKED LIKE GIVEN PRIMARY SOURCES.
     
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    Lol at "Mandela-affected rant". Stop being being an unhigned, overly-sensitive and dishonest racist hack. There are no primary sources on Jesus' appearance, and there are loads and loads of depictions of ancient Jews, both Israelites and Judeans:

    https://blog.israelbiblicalstudies.com/holy-land-studies/ancient-israelites-look-like/

    They're neither "white" nor "black", and certainly not black in the way your footballer is black. Because, again... geography. Ancient Israel is not ancient Nigeria... :roll: The reason I brought up Ethiopia instead of Nubia/Kush earlier, is because the only - small - likelihood of Jesus having been black-skinned, would have been if he had been from a Beta Israel family, i.e. from the Jewish community of Ethiopia. Bible doesn't mention anything like that, though.

    Just stop trying to steal other people's history and erasing theirs. It's enough that you disrespect the people you're trying to steal from, but it's even sadder that you're so extremely ashamed and hateful of your real ancestors and real family history, that you do everything you can to deny that they even exist or are worth remembering. The only reason you need to make up this BS, to steal other people's history for yourself, pretend to be part of something you're not, is because a bunch of old white racists told you for centuries that West African history isn't prestigious or something to proud about. So you try and steal the histories of peoples who they do respect. /golfclap You're just belittling yourself. And I'm going to stay in this topic as long as I like, since I am staying on topic by keeping on answering your question and explaining my answer and why your question really sucks. Or at least I'll stay untill you learn to respect yourself a little more. Or..untill I get bored. :razz: I have a feeling I might get bored before you find a little dignity.
     
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    ican see youre not relenting from the attempt to whitewash history just yet so ill leave you to carry on your tirade and ill be back next month to dismantle your last pitiful attempt to dispute the points ive made here. THE WORLD IS WAKING UP to your lies and deceit old blue eyes!
     
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    meanwhile ill leave another contemporary image of how the israelites would have looked according to the primary sources we have. note im not using the sources of some WJE racist hacks! have a good day, until next month hasta la vista



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    I'm not "white"-washing anything. Kushites weren't white, ancient Judeans and Israelites weren't white, modern day Nubians, Ethiopians, and Beta Israel Jews aren't white, Yemenite Jews (and generally Mizrahis) aren't white, nor did I ever claim any of them were. And the "world" is fortunately larger than your dank basement full of conspiracy theory books and wishful thinking. You should visit Sudan, southern Egypt and Ethiopia, and generally travel around the Levant region, sometime. And as you travel, I'd love for you to actually open your eyes and look around at the people... and then maybe enter a university, have a little chat with their historians and archaeologists. And after that, you hop on a plane and visit the coasts of the Western African countries and look at their people, research their history, visit their archaeological sites and talk with their historians and archaeologists. You keep looking for pride in the wrong place.

    Oh, and I do actually have blue eyes. A deep, dark blue like the North Sea in winter. They're stunning. It's ok to be jealous. 8)

    Best of luck to you on your journey towards restoring your dignity by accepting the truth of your heritage. If they're still floating around, I hope your great-great-great x10 grandparents spirits don't hate your guts too much for you wanting your ancestors to be a completely different people than they were.
     
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    im turkish but dont let that little factoid disrupt your attempted white washing of ancient history. iwas going to respond when icame back off holiday to your last mandela affect rant but your latest one just appears to be trying to type as many words as possible while not making a point. so on second thoughts ill prolly just ignore your last two posts since they dont offer up anything in the slightest to rebuke my statements. anyways, off to istanbul tomorrow yipee.

    see you all next month!
     
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    the very first bible that had pictures of Yeshua and Mary show a little black boy with curly hair. this book is in africa. why do whites pretend jesus was white when we have the original transcripts showing otherwise?
     
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    Ah, you're back. Hope your trip trip to Istanbul was, or still is, pleasant and relaxing. Anyway, "whites" don't pretend Jesus was white, and the first bible did not have pictures of Jesus and Mary shown as a little black boy with curly hair. The bible you must be referring to might be the Garima bible, a 6th century Ethiopian bible. Which was obviously not the "first" Bible, and that it shows Jesus and Mary as dark and curly-haired is no more odd than an Irish bible would show Jesus and Mary as pale and red-haired. People depicted people based on their own locality, and if you haven't seen many Jews in Ethiopia or Ireland in the 6th century AD... then you go with what you know.

    I'm curious about former last statement, about you being Turkish. Ethnically Turkish? You consider Turks "black" or "white"? I've seen another post of yours where you said Chinese were "white", so given how Turks generally look, you'd label them "white people", too? IOW, are you white? And if you consider yourself white, why go to such lengths to paint ancient Hebrews as black?
     
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    Another dumbass idea. Jesus was not black.
     
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    This is likewise another load of political crap.
     
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    of course whites pretend jesus was white;

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    the bible im referring to was obviously the first one with pictures of yeshua, which is what istated. it was the original one and it showed him as black with curly hair. that is quite significant, you can play it down all you like. ppl depict ppl on reality. its only in the west where they tried to white wash the images from the ORIGINAL context, which was black according to the gospels of ethiopia.
     
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    do you support Israel or palestine?
     
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    What's that have to do with Jesus not being black?
     
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    Those two movies, or how many else you want to present, don't represent the totality of all global "white people" and what they think. Old Hollywood movies aren't "white people". And again, Jesus gets depicted by the locals as if he was local. Chinese depict him as Chinese, wearing Chinese clothes, having a Chinese haircut and beard, Ethiopians depicted him in their style, Greeks depicted him as most Westerners know him, as a long-haired, bearded Greek because that's what their Hellenistic gods had been depicted like. When Christians forced him on Meso- North and South America, he gradually became depicted as Meso-American.
     
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    Jesus was not Black. Look at Netanyahu or others that live in Israel
     
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    "Obviously"? Aha, and if that bible is not the Garama bible which is the world's oldest illuminated bible, what is your evidence instead? How is it "significant" that a Bible made centuries after the death of Jesus depicts him as if he's a fellow Ethiopian (or Axumite, or whatever the kingdom was called at the time)? It's no more signifcant "evidence" than that movie poster you showed of a ridiculously blue-eyed Jesus of Nazareth is "evidence" that Jesus was blond and blue eyed. When you determine whether something archaeological or historical is a primary source of a secondary one, you first date it - as in put a date or year on it. Then you determine whether or not the author or artist was close, in both time and geographical space, to the person or event he/she is describing.

    Esau, are you white? Again, you wrote to me that you were Turkish. What "race" do you consider Turks to belong to?
     
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    why cant you answer the question?
     
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    turks are brown, generally.

    the significance is that the ORIGINAL depiction was of him as being black. original meaning the real one that everybody copied. are you saying ethiopians are liars and deceivers? thats pretty bold statement to you have proof that over history, ethiopians are a lying wicked ppl?
     
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    Why can't you answer my question? What bible do you keep referring to? What's it called? There is no such thing as an "original depiction" of him. The oldest depiction of him, at all, is an early 3rd cent. Syrian wall painting in a Syriac church.

    And I live in Denmark and we have a sizeable Turkish immigrant community. I guess their parents or grandparents all mingled with Europeans beforehand, because they're generally about as "brown" as a Greek. And I have never heard any Ethiopian claim that Jesus was black just like my priest at confirmation only ever said that Jesus would have looked middle eastern Jewish, nor have I heard Ethiopians made the same claims you're making. You're the one decieving, and trying to pass your lies off as someone elses.
     

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