Black man dies after video shows officer kneeling on neck

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  1. Eadora

    Eadora Well-Known Member

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    Follow-up on George Floyd's Independently conducted Autopsy:
    ...Death Due To Asphyxia From Sustained Forceful Pressure.


     
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    LoneStarGal Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's mostly the Antifa "Eat The Rich" rioters. Too bad they ruined the George Floyd protests for justice.

    Governors had a heads up ahead of Trump's announcement to use federal forces to reinstill peace and civility. Several governors announced states of emergency over the weekend so that they can use federal officers and military assistance.

    https://news.yahoo.com/texas-arizona-georgia-missouri-minnesota-202500728.html

    "Texas, Arizona, Georgia, Missouri, and Minnesota have all declared statewide states of emergency over ongoing George Floyd protests...

    In declaring a state of emergency, Abbott said he was authorizing "additional federal agents" to serve as "Texas Peace Officers" in order to "help protect people's safety while ensuring that peaceful protesters can continue to make their voices heard."

    Abbott had previously activated the Texas National Guard and deployed 1,500 Department of Public Safety troopers to cities in the state."
     
  3. MissingMayor

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    The Official ME Report:
    https://content.govdelivery.com/attachments/MNHENNE/2020/06/01/file_attachments/1464238/2020-3700 Floyd, George Perry Update 6.1.2020.pdf

    Looks like the official report agrees with the family's autopsy. Murder 2 is definitely on the table now.
     
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  4. LoneStarGal

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    Shame that they are publicly pre-litigating the case. It will take 2-3 years to find a jury who is unfamiliar with the case and impartial. I guess some political activist group is paying for the legal fees, so they get the publicity they pay for. Floyd's family can wait a few years for closure and a few million settlement.

    All that aside, I don't find Baden's "findings" very compelling. He's says there were no pre-existing conditions in play because the "family says he was healthy" and that compression wouldn't show up after death because it is only present during the time it is happening. He points to the video as evidence of asphyxia. Not very scientific. Wonder how much his fees are per hour.

    Pretty disappointed for the Floyd family and what they're being put through.
     
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  5. Richard Franks

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    No one at all would agree with a policeman .
     
  6. Richard Franks

    Richard Franks Well-Known Member

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    If you think the killing of George Floyd is bad enough, A barbecue businessman David McAtee was killed by a Louisville Policeman this day.
     
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    The finding of meth and fentanyl is very sad. Bad combination. The defense will certainly use that to counter the prosecution's claims.

    https://lafuentehollywood.com/mixing-meth-and-fentanyl/
     
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    Well. I have a feeling that they will end up with manslaughter, and Chauvin's knee on the neck and the other officers compressing his back as contributors to the death.

    It would appear that Mr. Floyd was a victim of both excessive use of force by police and of this country's tragic fentanyl/opioid crisis. :(

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6848196/
    The rising crisis of illicit fentanyl use, overdose, and potential therapeutic strategies...
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    Respiratory depression is the most dangerous adverse reaction to fentanyl that can result in lethality.
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    In conclusion, the crisis of opioid-related overdoses, especially fentanyl and its analogs, is a major threat to both individual and public health. Respiratory depression, cardiovascular effects, and neuropsychiatric symptoms are associated with fentanyl overdose and lethality.
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    Along with good cops, you need a good mayor and a good Gov. too.
     
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    Did you watch Baden on Hannity? He is basing it all on the videos. Nothing from the body just the videos. And what you see can, might kill someone. And that it "looks like" other deaths from strangling and traumatic asphyxiation. He ignores Floyd was having shortness of breath before he's on the ground. Then tries to excuse the talking and screaming because "see I'm talking and not breathing police make a mistake thinking you can't breath and talk". OK Dr. Biden let's see you take in enough air to yell and scream for 5 minutes without taking a breath. I was waiting for their finding signs of brusing and internal damage to the thracia or neck bones and muscle, nothing. It was all his watching the video. That's not an autopsy it's speculation.

    Let's not forget Baden is an expert for hire, and he blew it in the Michael Brown thing with his "findings" which were totally destroyed in court.
     
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    And was a meth user but the Family attorney is claiming that that is all irrelevant and a character assassination, but hey Dr. Biden just watched the videos and determined the cause of death.

    Are the officers responsible for his struggle during the arrest while he had coronary artery disease and hypertension and on top of that high on fentanyl and recent meth use and the shortness of breath he was suffering from indicating a cardiac even in progress? Isn't that the most likely cause of his death. Doesn't that move the murder by police to a not beyond a reasonable doubt position?
     
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    Is there really no other reason to fear Antifa:
     
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    I think it probably moves it to manslaughter.

    They should have called the ambulance minutes earlier when Floyd fell down at the squad car.

    Also, Chauvin should have heeded Lane's advice here:

    "The officers said, “You are talking fine” to Mr. Floyd as he continued to move back and forth. Lane asked, “should we roll him on his side?” and the defendant said, “No, staying put where we got him.” Officer Lane said, “I am worried about excited delirium or whatever.” The defendant said, “That’s why we have him on his stomach.” None of the three officers moved from their positions."

    If there was a clear sign that Floyd was intoxicated, the worst possible decision was to put him and keep him in a prone position with pressure on his neck and back.

    I think they made a couple of bad decisions which contributed to Floyd's death.
     
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    The cop killed him as he begged for his life. And trying to deny it just adds fuel to the fire and increases hatred. If the cop released the pressure on his neck he would probably be alive today.
     
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    Only if they're sporting a silly Charlie Chaplin mustache. ;)

    But seriously, you can tell by their body language that he was the commanding officer at the scene.
     
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    No. The meth / fentanyl use is only a contributing factor. It is doubtful that they would have shortened his life under the restraints used by Chauvin and friends. Maybe George would have lasted 20 seconds longer? The reality is that the knee on the neck and back were left in place for minutes after he likely died. This is murder 2 or 1 with a lesser charge of murder 3 if the jury so decides.
     
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    And that is part of the training. They know that the death spiral ends almost immediately after the choke is released. The person would still be lethargic / easy to control, maybe even unconscious, but they would no longer be dying.
     
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    I would agree with a policeman that was right, and disagree with a policeman that was wrong, as would any reasonable person.
     
  19. Bluesguy

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    Trying to deny the facts, that he was suffering a cardiac even before he hit the ground, he was dying. You can't discount that that brings in reasonable doubt to a murder. He was going into cardiac arrest which feels like you can't breath. These guys should go to jail even if Floyd had not died. What they did was horrible. But justice says they are charged and prosecuted for what they did not what they might have done. Proved beyond a reasonable doubt. That is what the defense will be about, can you charge them with murder and responsibility for his death when a good possibility if not probability he was dead before he hit the ground.
     
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    The cold hard facts on how it started. A police officer rests his knee on a mans neck.
     
  21. Richard Franks

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    No there sure isn't.
     
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    Nope...... It should be obvious that cops, judges, and in this case the coroner are in cahoots. The coroner only made it worse by trying to say the cop was not at fault. The man was trying to tell him he couldn't breathe. Now, if he let him up and he was still gasping for air it would be different.
    But in this case he had to keep choking him and now he is dead. I saw it on video. I am an eyewitness... in a way.
     
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    Is there some golden moment in the past that 'again' refers to?
     
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    Unless there are underlying conditions the cop does not know about.
     
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    I find the willingness to excuse a brutal murder amazing.

    Something is clearly missing.
     

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