Black People Need a Safe State in America—Let’s Make It Georgia

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  1. DaveBN

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    Okay, so let’s talk about the actual definition. I’ll paste it here to give us a baseline.
    To put it simply, democracy in the work place. Workers within a company/org collectively decide who leads it, the wages of workers, the over all direction of the company/org, etc.

    While I am not contending that the idea of working to receive goods and services is incorrect, I don’t know how that applies to socialism where it would not apply to other systems such as capitalism. (Note: I am in favor of decommodification off essential goods and services, but that might be appropriate discussion for a more targeted thread.)
     
  2. Pycckia

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    A mere 6 years ago the whole country was 90% White and they did OK.
     
  3. Pycckia

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    OK, lets move on to the fact that most people don't want diversity. I read that 80% of Americans live in communities which are not diverse. And the schools are more segregated now than they were when Brown v. Board of Education was decided.
     
  4. DaveBN

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    I’d be interested in sources backing up these claims.
     
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    From 1968 to 1980, segregation between blacks and whites in schools declined.[22] School integration peaked in the 1980s and then gradually declined over the course of the 1990s.[28] In the 1990s and early 2000s, minority students attended schools with a declining proportion of white students, so that the rate of segregation as measured as isolation resembled that of the 1960s.[29]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_segregation_in_the_United_States#Contemporary_Segregation

    Three major findings are developed: gentrification is fueling the emergence of White majorities from highly diverse neighborhoods; racial discrimination in housing persists (evidenced by the way that highly diverse neighborhoods were significantly less likely to form in cities with high percentages of Black residents); and nationally, despite increases in racial diversity, highly racially diverse neighborhoods only represent 1.5% of census tracts. The United States is a long way from desegregation.

    https://contexts.org/articles/are-neighborhoods-actually-more-diverse-today/
     
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    Did they?
     
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    Well very few whites are calling foe segregation too.

    Let's apply equal review to the situation.
     
  8. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    What about the white people in Georgia?
     
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    The reference could be to the city within a city that was burned down in Oklahoma or the black majority city in North Carolina upon successfully electing black representation the only successful coup d’etat in the USA was pulled off. Who knows?
     
  10. DaveBN

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    There was a source provided earlier in the thread for what amounted 19 black families forming a land cooperative. No intention to exclude based on race. Just seeks to be pro-black. Pretty rad in my book.
     
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    Liberia would be more appropriate as a safe space.
     
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    This. Ethnostates are inherently authoritarian.
     
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    Most are but there are exceptions.
     
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    I meant sixty. They put a man on the moon
     
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    Not really. You can't maintain an ethnostate without exerting asymmetric authority over every other ethnicity.
     
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    Citation for that last sentence?
     
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    Not all ethnicities, only those they deems undesirable. You can do pretty well as a caucasian in Japan, many get permanent residency, but an african or a chinese may have trouble.
     
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    Okay, let's get this straight. This crap can be laid squarely at the feet of the American welfare state that in the African American community largely replaced dad's with government checks. Note until 1973 African American families were largely intact with no higher illegitimacy rates than Caucasians. Since then illigitimacy rates in the African American community have risen to 75%.
    Dude any numbers you get from think progress are going to automatically be suspect.
     
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    . . . which is authoritarian. "Well, they are only authoritarian to some people and not to others" is still authoritarian. Based on your logic, African slavery in the US wasn't authoritarian . . . because it was only about one race and not others. That's the most worthless definition of authoritarianism I've ever seen.
     
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    Slavery was a mercantile activity. The slaved were goods, not people. Are you authoritarian when you purchase a can of soup?
     
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    If a can of soup were a human being, yes. Absolutely.
     
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    But the slaves weren't considered human being.
     
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    But they empirically are human beings. You are claiming that it isn't authoritarian for a government to declare a human to be non-human in order to strip them of all rights. In reality, nothing could be more authoritarian than that. The Nazis considered Jews and Romani to be subhuman. According to you, that means that not even the Holocaust was authoritarian.
     
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    Let me remind you that the Allies had to invent a new law and apply it retroactivelly to punish the Nazi. Until the Nuremberg trials, all that germany did was legal and in accordance to the laws of germany.
     

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