Black Reparations.

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  1. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    Can you establish that most white wealth in this country came from that-or that slave labor was more profitable than the use of wage earning labor?
     
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    Nice anecdote but not relevant to the remark you made about black people depending on the rich white man.
    And when you talk about slavery, andvtry to blame Africans for getting I there first, I am speaking of wealth that builds places like Buckingham Palace and cities like Manchester UK.

    It is about time people stop blaming Africans for trading slaves.
    YOU DIDNT HAVE TO BUY THEM.
    But hey...white people knew that if they did, they would rule the world.
    Which they did for a while, until they squabbled over who owned the Austro-Hungarian Empire and eventually reshaped Europe. 50 years and millions of lives later they had learned the lesson and started to cooperate.
    There is no hiding place for slavery in the white West. It was pure opportunism and jaw dropping greed.
    America was the last country to outlaw slavery and it took a civil war to stop it. America is no less guilty of slave owning than anyone else. And it had nothing to do with what uneducated African " savages"were doing . How quaint that they were called savages and yet you copied what you said made them so.
    Everyone bears the guilt for the choices they made.
    But reparations?? No. Just treat black people with respect.
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    why do you claim I bought slaves. Just stop\

    NO ONE ALIVE IN THE USA bought African slaves
    NO ONE MADE CHOICES THAT AFFECTED THE SLAVE TRADE
     
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    The building and continuance of massive plantations for a start.

    Slaves built roads, canals, railroads, factories, planted and harvested cotton and tobacco, the profits of which created banks.

    "The economic value of the 4 million slaves in 1860 was, on average, $1,000 per person, or about $4 billion total. That was more than all the banks, railroads and factories in the U.S. were worth at the time.Mar 18, 2021
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    https://www.bloomberg.com › articles
    Four Numbers That Show the Cost of Slavery on Black Wealth Today".
     
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    You are having a laugh.
    There was no trade triangle with slaves as two sides of it? No slave markets?
    No slave ships docked in the USA???

    I never claimed you personally bought slaves. Don't be be silly. No one is asking for collective historical guilt but stop blaming Africans for the crimes of American ancestors.
    Most western countries were guilty and it is time for people who refuse to admit their country was culpable and face up to what they did.
     
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    well when you can find someone who bought african slaves I will be happy in agreeing they ought to pay reparations to anyone you can find who was actually an African forced into slavery in the USA
     
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    "we Americans". Maybe YOU American but not this one. My family was dirt poor until my father's generation. And when I say dirt poor, I mean no running water dirt poor. So I don't own anyone :icon_shithappens:. My family didn't own slaves.

    Furthermore, slavery was made legal in this country by unelected people....the Supreme Court. The same people also gave us other illegal "law" with Roe v Wade and yet to be overturned gay marriage. This is what happens when the Judicial Branch turns into the Legislative Branch.

    As far as reparations, I doubt many could even prove they were descendants of slaves. Blacks owned slaves. The way society is today, a lot don't even know who their father is so how could they prove who they descended from?
     
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    Because VietNamese education is better than American but the clever ones from there elect to continue their studies in the best universities in the world.
    They flood Oxbridge, the Sorbonne, and other lesser universities.
    They occupy a large part of most university populations.
    I would think that the number of children of boat people is tiny.
     
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    PLEASE STOP ASSUMING I SUPPORT REPARATIONS.
    I have said twice now that I dont.
    And neither do I accept personal anecdotes when discussing a global issue.
     
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    The argument goes that the descendant families who were enriched by slavery should pay.
    As for those who were slavers in history, don't be silly. That is a duck and dive argument that pretends to justify slavery.
     
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    so how do you prove that-I bet half the white people in this country didn't have any ancestors here before the slave trade ended. and then we have all of us whose ancestors fought for the Union.

    are you going to make a racist argument and claim white guilt. I bet it is far easier to find who actually descended from those who captured the first shipment of slaves than who benefited from slavery

    it's an idiotic argument and has no merit.
     
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    Number 3.

    I DO NOT SUPPORT REPARATIONS

    so stop yelling at me as if I did.
     
  13. Bill Carson

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    I don't care and I wasn't replying to you.
     
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    All 6 of your points are either irrelevant or utter nonesense. Very poor show.
     
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    Your last point is the root of it all. White privilege.
     
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    As someone keeps stating, it's Holocaust denial plain and simple. Where is ADL when the black community needs support? Nowhere!
     
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    The author you quoted tried to equate slavery in America to Nazi genocide... but you didn't notice and repeated it.
    That makes what I said totally relevant- but as she did, you dismiss relevance that doesn't support your point.

    Everything I said was factual and relevant. Just not supporting the allegation.... and that is your problem; the facts aren't comfortable.
    Facts. Not people's emotions or hostility or denials. Facts.
     
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    I've got an idea. Let's create a unified White voice.
     
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    Not exactly. Their superiority was more complete and comprehensive than simply having dominant military technology.

    The material wealth of western society became aspirational, not only for Africans but people all over the world. Integrating western technology disrupted societies and still does.

    In recent years, we have computer technology bringing greater material wealth, but also Apple, Google, Microsoft, Facebook and Twitter.
     
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    Nothing you said was factual or relevant but ido agree it's not really fair to compare the white Holocaust to the black Holocaust, the latter was an infinitely worse experience AND it has gone totally unpunished, shocking.
     
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    Africa has all of the wealth Europe did, if not more. I'll stand by my point that the only difference was machine guns. Once the African got the machine guns it all changed and the Europeans got chased out, apart from in South Africa where the white man had dug himself in too deep.
     
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    Pardon me. Safe place? This entire country is the safety place on the planet for black people to thrive, succeed and become millionaires. Well maybe not so safe from each other, but let’s ignore that little nugget.

    Black people have the MOST support and state programs dedicated to helping them of any group. And they’re completely insulated from criticism. You think a white comedian could get away with the honesty spoken by Chappell the other night on SnL. It was genius. But a white guy would be slaughtered:) AND No white people can be blatantly racist like many high profile black thought leaders on the Left. No white politicians could get away with some of the **** spoken by the squad. It’s a JOKE. Safe place?? Are you kidding? Go ask Obama how safe he is…oh that’s right…living as far away from other black people as possible. Coincidence?

    And what ****ing moves did BLM make to help black people? The ONLY black people helped were the founders who funneled millions into real estate AND ENRICHING THEMSELVES. Otherwise it was a total and complete scam. More black people died due to the riots they caused than “helped”. And let’s not ignore that BLM is based on pure fabrication and lies. Systemic police racism??? Lies. Police killing unarmed innocent black people on a systemic level? MORE LIES!!!

    And Israel is safe? They’re surrounded by terrorists who want them erased from the map? What fracking backwards world are you living in?
     
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    And yet, you refer to the "white holocaust", trying to equate the two while you acknowledge they aren't the same. Given the Germans objective was to kill them all, and the objectives of slave owners was to keep them healthy and strong for work, that's quite a stretch. Delete "white Holocaust", insert "slavery". Then remember that 6 million jews were murdered without cause- and that

    Then research the civil war and find out how many people died to end slavery. Realize that the number of Americans that died in the war to end slavery was over 600,000; more than the total of all the slaves brought to America.

    I don't excuse slavery, and I don't know anyone who does. And I don't know anyone who thinks that they are in any way responsible for it, because none of us were even alive.
    There's a lot of very valid points on this issue that you would not care to have on the table, I understand that. Most people's thinking is mostly emotionally driven to reach a pre-selected conclusion, but if you want to be fair, you must accept all the relevant facts, and not insert emotional reactions to the process. If you can't do that, then you have no valid argument or point.
     
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    I've seen many, many ppl here over the years desperately attempt to compare the white and black holocausts. White nations have been attempting to wipe out the entire black race for 6000 years and you're trying to compare the WJE experience over the last 50 and expect a serious response??

    Give me a break. Iwas born at night it's true but not last night.
     
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    What they forget when the reparationist make the lame argument that we white people still benefit from slavery to this day is that everyone benefits if anyone does.
     
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