Blacks oppose Trader Joes in Portland, claim it will attract too many whites

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  1. Strasser

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    I see a lot of noise using buzz words like 'economic development' and the like, yet nobody seems to know the details of the deal TJ's is offering, just some brief news story. Apparently these claims are based on some insider's knowledge the rest of us aren't privy to. Please share with us what all these claims are based on, since they aren't in the article itself.
     
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    This is the usual pattern, not to mention there is no evidence TJ's would be required to hire anybody from the local neighborhood.
     
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    This is the usual pattern?
    I asked pardy but he/she bailed on the question. Show me some examples of this. I'm sure you can find some. I'm sure I can find 1000's more of the exact opposite occurring.

    Are liberals suggesting the only way to help the poor is keep them poor and in the slums? Wouldn't that also be suggesting they lack the ability to improve thier lot in life? Or is it liberals just don't care about helping the poor improve?
     
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    Conservatives do NOT oppose such measures and it was Jack Kemp who originally championed them. We especially like local and state governments working with business and industry in a win-win situation. It is exactly how government and business should work for the betterment of everyone. The less federal government involvement the better though.

    So why do you think it a good thing these community organizers tried to extort money from TJ's effectively denying the jobs and the good source of quality food and low prices to the citizens in that neighborhood.
     
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    If you can show us their revenues and margins would be exactly the same at both locations you may have a point..........we await your doing so. And what big subsidy? The two acres had been vacant for 20 years and they paid $500,000 for it on which they are going to invest $8,000,000.
     
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    I heard it in detail on the Medved show.
     
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    I went to Portland a couple years back, never seen so many homeless people in my life! The "Homed" Portlanders were very nice, but I've never seen homeless people as angry as the ones in Portland. I grew up in New Orleans and these angry zombies they had roaming the streets scared me.

    It also seems that the African Americans I encountered in Portland, Salem, Seattle, etc were of a more militant bent for some reason. I couldn't figure it since those areas are so "tolerant" and "liberal"... oh, wait!
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    I don't agree with all his positions but I've never caught him in a lie and I like his reviews.
     
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    One of the top shows IMHO. Listen to him as I travel everyday. He interviewed the black community organizer behind the effort to stop them and he exposed his bottom line that they wanted, in the activist own words, a "bone tossed to them", they didn't get anything out of it so they opposed it. Shameful because I read interview with people who lived there that were totally excited about the store and STORES that would have been built there.
     
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    I don't understand how a grocery store can be a negative thing to a neighborhood regardless of the ethnic make-up of said neighborhood.
     
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    They are only 6.3% of the population of Portland! Stop The Presses!!!!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portland,_Oregon#Demographics

    Destroy the economy so we can have jobs!!! I love the logic.
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    Too many vegetables...
     
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    LMAO !!
     
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    So you know all the details? Is TJ's going to pay taxes on the Appraised value or the $500 grand value? Pay for the extra street lights, any changes in the sewer and water lines needed, extra police services, road widenings, i.e. all extra needed expenses incurred by the city, how many jobs are earmarked for those in the local community, all the usual development costs? And did I mention Portland and Oregon don't collect sales taxes? Yes, I did. So fill us in on all these details and those I didn't include.

    The property was worth $500,000 20 years ago, somebody mentioned? It's now appraised at $2.9 million, some 580% more, far above inflation, and people think it should be given away for its price 20 years ago, without even any adjustments for inflation on the $500,000, and this is supposed to be a 'good deal' for the city? Ridiculous.
     
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    So what? That's politics, and there's nothing on the table for their people, so why shouldn't they try to get something for their community?. You're okay with TJ's getting something for nothing at the city's loss, a heavy loss at that. Why is that not 'shameful'? I wouldn't give it away if it were my property, I'd sit on it forever rather than take a $2.4 million dollar hit on it.
     
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    Technically, TJ's wouldn't be getting something for nothing. Jobs would be created and taxes will be generated. Land improvement brings in tourism dollars which helps the whole city.

    Oregons state income tax for incomes between $7,950.00 and $125,000 is 9%. Above $125,000 income tax only jumps to 9.9%.

    I don't know why folks below the poverty line are taxed as much as a person making $125,000. Whatever.

    By the way, why hasn't the local community developed the land in their own community? Portland's Chinatown district residents seem to have figured this one out. What are the impediments to opening business in this other part of Portland? Besides all the Federal roadblocks that is...
     
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    I don't, admittedly. I don't think they have any locations in my area.
     
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    That can certainly occur, but it usually comes at the cost of mom & pop shops.

    I'd have to see more of the specifics. Not all tax relief is bad, but it is bad when one company is given advantages over its competitors by government. That distorts the market.
     
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    Whites moving in causes gentrification of the affected neighborhood -- jobs, beautification, progress, increased police presence and serenity soon follow and flood the area.

    It is understandable why thugz, welfarists and affirmative action-qualified persons do not desire such encroachment -- as in Detroit, they are happy and satisfied with their current, leisurely lifestyle and violent culture. Disturbing these good people for the sake of capitalism is blatantly sinful. President Obama should stop such encroachments on his people.

    Thank you
     
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    Yes, and the number of jobs created is smaller than in the small businesses that closed down, at least that was the case in my town. Lots of empty buildings on the old main drag for years, as long as this lot has been empty.

    Oh nonsense! All we need are buzz words and ideological talking points! Like 'Jobs!' 'Economic Development!' 'Poor People Suck!' ad nauseam ...
     
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    They will pay it on the appraised value including the $8 million investment. The so called $2.9 million "appraisal" was an estimate of the value IF someone were to build low cost housing on which no one in twenty years had offered to do.

    Pay for the extra street lights, any changes in the sewer and water lines needed, extra police services, road widenings, i.e. all extra needed expenses incurred by the city, how many jobs are earmarked for those in the local community, all the usual development costs? And did I mention Portland and Oregon don't collect sales taxes? Yes, I did. So fill us in on all these details and those I didn't include.

    How offered $500,000? A piece of property is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.

    It is an empty 2 acre lot in an undeveloped area and is not appraised at $2.9 million in it's current state and you are talking a tax appraisal not a real estate appraisal for sale of the property.

    And yes someone buying it and then adding $8 million in improvement with 90 jobs in the TJ's store alone along with 10 or more other stores would be a GREAT deal for the city and the people who live there.
     
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    That's extortion.

    They are free to raise the money necessary to buy the land and developement, those people have no more right to anything with regard to the land than anyone else. Most people there are renters.

    They aren't getting something for nothing they are paying $250,000 an acre for undeveloped land in which they are going to invest $8,000,000.

    Then go buy it for $500,001 thousand pay the equivalent tax that TJ will be paying on the land once they would have developed it, all the sales tax it would have generated, along with the other 10 stores and then sit in your lawn chair on it and explain to all the people that live in the area why that is better than having the stores and jobs.
     
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    No not necessarily and Mom and Pops fail everywhere simply because franchising is much more lucrative and profitable.

    So you oppose Obama's tax relief for the "green energy" companies and GM and Chrysler which give them advantages of their competitors?
     
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    Hard to imagine how a entity offering more of what is desired at a reduced cost could be construed as "harmful".
     

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