Blog Reports Babies Born Alive in Toilets at Abortion Mill, Left to Die

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Otter, Jul 27, 2011.

  1. prometeus

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    But what does it have to do with abortion, other than an attempt to sway opinion with emotional tripe?
     
  2. Anders Hoveland

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    This is why there exist laws capping the how much a judge can award in damages. These huge sums are ridiculous. No doctor has 36 million dollars sitting in his bank account. Unless tort reform is implemented, insurance costs will spiral out of control, becoming unaffordable, and the doctors are going to pass on their increased expenses to their patients.
     
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  3. injest

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    FORTUNATELY, you don't get to decide what is appropriate and not appropriate here, and I will continue to post as I please...I am familiar with this 'shaming' tactic you Progressive use....you feel like you should be allowed to say whatever you want to but we conservatives have to be careful of YOUR 'feelings'...

    sucks to live in the age of the awakened conservative, doesnt' it? you should have been around twenty years ago...THEN maybe you could succeed at silencing opposition with 'waaah. this isn't right for a conservative to saaaaay'

    puleeze.

    My only goal here is to not let the awful rhetoric of the pro abortion crowd stand unanswered. They have repeatedly and incessantly yammered on about how abortion is something great and wonderful, to be celebrated...and that mothers are permanently damaged drudges and 'breeding stock'...

    so if YOU want to have a serious discussion, start your own thread, and then speak up when YOUR side uses offensive language to the prolifers!
     
  4. injest

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    whereas all YOU bring to the debate is critique of my posting style..but nary a word on the issues...hmmmm. I tell you the ONLY explanation is a schoolyard crush...you don't see ME running around talking about your sad little posts...

    where DO you post, by the way, other than in response to mine?
     
  5. injest

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    :):)

    yep, apparently today's diversionary tactic is "try to shame the conservatives"...Saul Alinsky would be so proud...

    unfortunately that tactic doesn't work when we KNOW that's what you are doing. Nothing 'morbid' about fighting to save lifes.
     
  6. injest

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    well the truth is something they can not allow out, Otter. If women knew that a lot of abortionists are bottom feeders, out to make a quick buck however they can...well that would upset their rosey scenario of how wonderful and 'celebratory' the act of abortion actually is.

    You can't get away from the fact that whatever the semantics, most people that took basic biology knows that what is in a woman's womb is a baby...or believes it to be. You can't get away from the fact that after a certain number of weeks, that baby has a face and a heartbeat.

    If you want to abort that baby, then you should have the courage and compassion to admit what you are doing and live with the consequences, not dehumanize both the child and yourself...and to me that is exactly what is happening when the abortionists say that fetuses aren't babies..they are telling women to deny their own humanity, their own hearts rather than helping the women thru it. If there are real reasons to have an abortion, then those reasons should be able to stand up to the litmus test of, can you look yourself in the mirror tomorrow and say yes, I ended a life and it is something I had to do"

    If you can't, if you have to rationalize it, if you have to dehumanize the baby to get thru it, to justify it...then you shouldn't have the abortion.

    this playing with semantics is ridiculous, a simple diversionary tool. Whatever the word you call it, women know that is life in their womb...
     
  7. injest

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    really? well if abortion advocates are so sure that this is a necessary service, why don't you get together and open a clinic yourself? have fundraisers, get a wealthy philanthropist to back it...

    no, you just want to use MY money to provide abortions while ignoring my objections.
     
  8. injest

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    LOL! at the whole idea of 'vengeance' that's only in your mind...we don't view babies as 'punishment' like Obama.

    if low cost contraception and birth control are so vital to you, why don't you advocate Planned Parenthood to stop the abortions so they can stay open?

    dead babies are more important to you than provideing health care to women then by your logic.
     
  9. injest

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    no they're not, but since you have not been in these debates (at least while I have been here) then you don't know what the proabortionists have been saying...coming in like this and throwing baseless insults around isn't making you look so good either.

    this thread is a direct response to the histrionic demonization of pregnancy and mothers all over the other threads. Funny you would rush into this one thread all of a sudden...do I smell a sock?!
     
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    proof?! links? definition of 'embyoes'?

    or are you making up definitions again?
     
  12. injest

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    only an elitist racist would call another culture "uncivilized"
     
  13. injest

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    but you won't condemn the idea, huh?

    can't say I am surprised.
     
  14. Cady

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    What do you want me to say, "If that had really happened, that would have been horrible"? There is no evidence it did, however, so it appears pro-lifers are lying once again.
     
  15. Cady

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    Your money doesn't pay for abortions at Planned Parenthood, except for a miniscule number in cases of rape, incest, and life endangerment. See the Hyde Amendment.
     
  16. Makedde

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    You can tell a woman who has had a child. Her body often gives her away. You cannot tell a woman has had an abortion just by looking at her.

    Only the fine line lifers imagine to be there.

    You are counting the abortions that take place in Ireland. You are not counting the abortions performed on Irish women in England and other countries, though.

    You don't know what an embryo is?:-D

    An embryo is an embryo up to eight weeks, then it is known as a fetus.
     
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    If an abortion doctor delivers babies that are alive and then kills them, he has committed a crime and should be charged and sent to prison.
    If an abortion doctor does not properly take care of his patients then he should not be allowed to practice.
    If an abortion doctor forces women to deliver live babies in a toilet he has committed a crime and should be thrown in prison.

    Us pro choicers do not support 'doctors' like this, and nor will we ever.
     
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    It's possible to read threads without posting to them you know. The stupid agruments (including the pointless comments from the "proabortionists" you refer to) aren't usually worth responding to. Your post happened to catch my attention and having just read the sickening details of the case, I reacted strongly to the jokey tone you used (though I stand by the point).

    No, this thread was in a direct response to a court case of an criminally incopentent abortion doctor. You brought in the largely irrelevant reference to what people here have said about general abortion risks.

    No. This is far from my first post in the Abortion section (I tend to scan the "all new posts" list and don't limit myself to any category).
     
  19. Colonel K

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    An embryo is physically incapable of feeling pain before the start of the third trimester. The wiring does not yet exist. Physiology 101.
     
  20. injest

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    I asked Granny what she was refering to as an embryo, there has been some discrepancies between posts on what she considers what.

    (but yes, I agree that before the third trimester, the baby won't feel pain which is about the only reason, for me, that I can accept allowing abortions up to that point)

    I just don't want to allow dehumanization...abortion should not be a casual thing to celebrate but a tragedy to be avoided.

    I do believe that abortion kills a human, a seperate unique individual; I can accept that there is reasons why it has to be done...but I have a real problem with treating that unique individual as immaterial or nonexistant. It is chilling to me that we would allow any person to be viewed as less than human, I think human life is sacred. (and I don't just mean sacred in the religious sense, I am not sure what the word I am looking for is but even animals try to protect their own kind...it is built into nature that adults of a species protects their young)

    the op (and the many other news reports about the same kind of thing) are a result of the attitude that abortion is no big deal, that there are no consequences to it and that all pregnancies are more dangerous...when that is simply not true, there are consequences to everything and you can have a complication from ANY medical event in your life.
     
  21. injest

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    unbelievable.

    Makedde, with all due respect, but this is incredibly shallow and mysogynist...how can you look at a woman and tell if she has had a baby or not? Do you ask every woman you see if she's had a baby? or do you just walk down the street and make judgement calls based on your own bias that ALL fat out of shape women are mothers and all trim fit women are the smart ones that have had abortions?

    You sound like some of the worst male chauvenists I know, who claim you should swap women out every few years for a younger, firmer model, that it is possible for a woman to be 'used up', that a woman's worth is in her looks; I feel sorry for the people that live with people that believe in this kind of critical judgement; they will never be able to live up to this kind of expectations and will be tossed aside when the guy needs a ego boost.

    I am not claiming to be an expert but I can't imagine the women's suffragists meant for this to be the answer...that instead of the men stereotyping women by their looks, WOMEN would stereotype their sisters by how they look...
     
  22. injest

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    see the quotes for Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood.
     
  23. injest

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    but you just HAD to weigh on MY post...right...well thanks for your opinion and it would be nice to talk to someone new, whose posts aren't filled with 'mothers are saggy messes and idiots' but first impressions are first impressions. You don't like my posts? I won't lose sleep over it nor will I edit myself for some peanut gallery...this isn't the debate section, if you want to be a judge, let the mods know and they can sign you up for the debates, should they ever start.
     
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    You are wrong in so many place it's hard to know where to start.
    1. Once you have paid taxes, it's not YOUR money anymore. It's OK to spend the tax money anyway the majority approves of.

    2. Tax money isn't spent for abortions except for rape, incest, and life of the woman.

    3. PP services reduce abortion.
     
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    This is completely false.
     

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