Blue Staters - Should We Start Ignoring Federal Law?

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Should Blue States Ignore Federal Law as They See Fit?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

    63.2%
  1. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    Working as intended.
    Don't like it?
    Your whining about it means nothing - amend the constitution.
     
  2. Seth Bullock

    Seth Bullock Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lol … I think the question is, what is this new blue nation going to do? Form an army? When you talk about trying to take away the citizenship of conservative, patriotic U.S. citizens, or “replacing” them, you are asking for bloodshed.

    Those 3 states would not take that step, and they would have no way of doing it even if they wanted to.

    So the new “Western State” would have to consist of the blue islands of those states. And the red areas would remain in the USA. Same thing in other states such as Illinois and New York, btw. To avoid bloodshed there would be no alternative.

    All of that aside though, the best solution is to stick together, be respectful of one another, and be good winners when we win and good losers when we lose. We’re not 5 year olds … are we?
     
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    You can change federal law... Maybe you should use the our voting system...

    SC isn't the place that you should be legislating.
     
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    If it has become a nightmare then you may want to consider staying away from politics for a while. Politics is a silly reason to endure nightmares.
     
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    The 14th amendment basically protects federal legislation from being bypassed by state legislation. It has nothing to do with any of the things you list above.
     
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    The SCOTUS exist because the founders were experienced in a government you suggest.
    When the SCOTUS rules according to the constitution, and you don't like it and want to take over the SCOTUS because you can't get everything you want, its the very reason of their existence and out 3 branches of government.

    While you think Democrats ruling against the constitution is a good thing, you don't have the foresight to know where that takes you.
    Thank God for wise fore fathers.
     
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    Oh, he will be. Just not by Trump.

    DeSantis '24

    While everyone is wondering if he's running, and thinking he might (or even probably will), I have it on insider info that he is going to run. And, I predict, win. He's been a great Governor, losing him would be about the only downside.
     
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    That is why I said 1/20/25. If he runs, he loses and will be out that day. If he doesn't run, obviously still out

    I don't think DeSantis defeats Trump. but he would be a lock in the general if he got that far
     
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    Generally speaking I'm not in favor of States ignoring Federal Law, but on weed, I'm not seeing any Constitutional authority to ban it in the first place. After all, they needed a Constitutional Amendment to ban booze, which, like banning drugs, turned out to be a really bad idea, so I don't see why weed (or any other drug) would be any different.

    Immigration and nationalization, on the other hand, are crystal clearly spelled out in the Constitution as being a Federal function, so all these sanctuary cities have to go.

    Then again, as long as secession is done by just California, I'm all for it. As a bonus, we'll send all the illegals in the other 49 States there, too. Once a case comes before the Supreme Court, with the originalists we have sitting there now, I'd bet a dollar (likely more) to a hole in a doughnut that federal weed and/or all drug prohibitions get struck down. That would probably apply to States, too, but we'll have to see.

    The drug war is worse for society than the drugs themselves are, if they're made and sold by legitimate companies. There is exactly ZERO chance of fentanyl turning up in my percocets, because they're legally made, and legally sold. Requires a prescription, though if it were up to me, nothing would. Human beings want to get high. We will never legislate that trait away.
     
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    I'm not convinced Trump is going to run, but if he does, Ron will hand him his ass. Even though I liked his tax cuts, and really liked his originalist/textualist SCOTUS picks, he has too much baggage, and you can bet Ron will remind the electorate of that early and often. As much as this whole January 6th inquisition is a made-for-TV publicity stunt, I think it'll be used against him, successfully, if he's on the ballot in a primary.

    And don't forget, Florida has 30 electors (up from 29 in 2020), so that's a slam dunk for him both in the primaries and the general. As much crap as people talk about him, he's well liked and respected here, and as much as we were all going to die from Covid because he opened the State up for business "too soon", refused to allow mask or vaccine mandates, and really put his foot down with regards to flashing your Covid card everywhere (you still can't even buy a stick of gum in NYC without one), it turned out he was right the whole time.
     
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    But you don't live in Alberta...?
     
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    What Supreme Court decisions are you referring to?
     
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    They protect the rights as stated in our founding documents. It does not grant rights. The "constitutional" side is the side that follows the Constitution whether I like the result or not. And don't take it upon yourself to assign my positions on some long list of issues which have nothing to do with THIS issue.
     
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    What federal laws are you talking about? What federal laws would you be breaking in your blue state?
     
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    No, we are going to either secede or simply opt out over time. Or this will end in war. It was a compromise made a long time ago that has failed.

    What you are advocating will certainly lead to civil war. When the Constitution was written, the disparity between populations was nothing like it is today. Now this is not acceptable and it won't be tolerated,.

    The system has failed. This can end peacefully or not. Your choice. What we have now is not sustainable. Civil war is a certainty. But if the control freaks and authoritarians realize what is at stake, maybe they will realize it isn't worth it.

    That is why incrementalism is best. As a new nation we simply ignore the laws we don't accept and enforce our own laws as we see fit. There is nothing anyone can do about it. We are too big. The Blue States are now the greatest nation on earth.

    And we have already taken the first step with the pot laws.
     
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    The "republic" has made the will of the people irrelevant. It has been reduced to tyranny by the minority.
     
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    Democratic districts have seen their median household income soar in a decade—from $54,000 in 2008 to $61,000 in 2018. By contrast, the income level in Republican districts began slightly higher in 2008, but then declined from $55,000 to $53,000.

    “Blue” territories have seen their productivity climb from $118,000 per worker in 2008 to $139,000 in 2018. Republican-district productivity, by contrast, remains stuck at about $110,000.
    https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-...-has-two-economies-and-theyre-diverging-fast/

    We don't need the red states.
     
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    Let's do a fact check on that, shall we?

    So if a rogue Govt was in place (or what you believed to be a rogue Govt), would you want the People to rise up, or would you prefer to let the rogues destroy your nation? If you're only for People Power when it favours a preferred narrative, you're not for People Power at all.
     
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    The overlords have been training all of us (in the First World) to be spoiled 5 year olds. IOW don't expect any remission .. it's way too late for that now.
     
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    California declared itself a "sanctuary state" for illegal aliens and ignores federal immigration laws. The bluest of blue states has set the precedent for ignoring federal laws. Can the rest of us fail to do less?
     
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    Buh-bye.
     
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    Unsupportable nonsense.
     
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    So leave.
    Don't sit here and whine about it - leave.
     

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