Blue Staters - Should We Start Ignoring Federal Law?

"No"
- US Constitution, working as intended.

 

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That map just proves that when people don't have to interact with other people very often, they vote for Republicans.

 

You are looking at land areas, not people. Land does not vote, only people do. The people are in the blue areas. The red is mostly empty of people. For the non-thinking, that map is very misleading.

 

Someone already said that on this thread, and I pointed out that there ARE people in those areas, and there is no chance of taking away their citizenship in the USA. They are not going to recognize the authority of some other country, nor will they pay taxes to it, and their is no peaceful way to make them.

 

They don't grant rights, they establish them. Prior to the establishment of a right(whether directly or because it has not been prohibited), that right does not exist. It doesn't matter if you believe we all have natural rights, god given rights, or that rights come out of people's butts. Without law, government, and authority to establish, protect, and enforce those rights, they don't exist. They are just words and thoughts.

If words and thoughts were enough to make abstract things become reality solely on their own, we would have no need of armies and police and laws.

 

STATES have a voice in or federal system of government. It is not just the physical land. We are a union of STATES. The United STATES of America.

 

The border is under fed control, so we violate the constitution everyday including Obama and Nitwit Biden

 

We own 70% the military and all weapons. We are responsible for 70% of the GDP that pays for it.

N, they can stay citizens. But if they refuse to honor the laws of the our new nation they will have to move or go to jail.

We are already ignoring Federal Law. And DC isn't going to attack the West Coast. There is nothing they can do about it.

No, they can move or go to jail if they refuse to respect the new laws..

I disagree. When trump was elected you all declared war on all liberals. And you have acted accordingly, The capitol was attacked, there has already been bloodshed, and the direction red states want to go will guarantee a civil war. You continue to support a thug who clearly tried to overthrow the election. That by definition makes you the enemy. The Constitution says so!!!

We don't have the same values and we don't want the same country. And you all have made it clear that you would gladly put a dictator in power.

America is already dead. The only choice left is how we hold the funeral. Try to force the right wing crap on blue states that red states want, and there will be civil war.

The point is to avoid war. You all but started a civil war they day you put an obvious, shallow, thug criminal, wanna-be dictator in office, in what was until then the greatest nation on earth. But you all ended that. Now live with the consequences.

 

Simply put, red states have proven then are too dangerous to be a part of our great country.

They can't be trusted.

 

Good.
Leave.
Join Canada.
Don't just whine about it - do it.

 

When you form your new nation, you can’t just include predominantly red areas that don’t want to be a part of it. If you try to do that by force, you’ll spark widespread armed resistance from those areas without any practical way of overcoming it.

Take Oregon, for example, a state we’re both familiar with.



Who is going to provide the force you need to conquer those red areas? Local police chiefs and sheriffs? Forget it. The Oregon State Police? Not enough of them, and they’re a pretty conservative bunch anyway. The Oregon National Guard? Most of the Guard would simply not cooperate, not show up, not follow orders, etc. Not even the U.S. Army would take that on. They didn’t volunteer for that, and besides, where do you think a huge proportion of soldiers come from? They don’t come from liberal bastions like Portland and San Francisco.

And keep in mind our interdependence. Where do you think food comes from? If you try to do what you’re thinking about doing to those people, they are going to cut food supplies to places like Portland. Interstate’s like I-84 and I-5 run through red areas. Think about the significance of that if you provoke a civil war.

I could go on and on, but the bottom line is that there is no way to use force against those red areas.

If you want to create a blue nation, it is not going to be geographically contiguous. Instead, it will be more like an association of counties along the west coast that are politically united, even if not geographically united. From a practical standpoint, that’s the only option for the new blue nation.

In the last election, Democrats won the presidency, gained in the Senate, and held a majority in the House. The President has appointed a new Supreme Court justice. You should take heart in your victories. And when you fail, introspect and improve. That’s life. You fall off your horse, you don’t shoot the horse. No. You dust yourself off and climb back on.

That’s how I see it.

 

In Oregon, 75% of the population lives in the Blue areas. Look it up.

They pay for the state.They pay for rural roads and services because the people living there couldn't possibly afford it.

Face it. Liberals and moderates pay for this country. Red areas don't by definition. They are mostly rural.

On top of that, blue states are getting seriously screwed in the Senate. We do not have equal representation. So we pay for a country that is biased toward the States we support; who hate us. If you want a great recipe for a civil war, that is on the top of the list. We have no reason to continue with this crap.

The man with the gold makes the rules.

 

Amend the constitution.
Don't just whine about it on the internet - get off your butt and get it done.

 

I can't speak for blue States, but here in purple State of Florida we are already ignoring it.

 

Oh! Look at this! There are already Sheriffs looking to take the law into their own hands.

What is a Constitutional Sheriff?
In an attempt to disparage the sheriffs fighting for our God given liberties, partisan mainstream media outlet, NBC, once derisively called Constitutional Sheriffs as “The Cops Who Think the Government is Our ‘Greatest Threat.’”

...
But the Constitutional Sheriff movement, spearheaded by former Graham County Arizona Sheriff, Richard Mack, defines the responsibility of the Constitutional Sheriff below:

“…to keep the peace and to secure, defend and protect the people of this jurisdiction from threats to their liberties, their livelihoods, and the peaceable enjoyment of their property.

The nature of that solemn oath requires that the actions of the sheriff in the performance of his duty must conform to the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of this State.“
https://americanpoliceofficersalliance.com/what-is-a-constitutional-sheriff/

In other words, cops are going rogue and planning to take the law into their own hands.

This is the literal definition of a police state - coming to your nearest red state soon.

 

What do you expect from authoritarian authorities, when it come to dealing with uppity socialists? /sarcasm

 

A police state is law enforcement adherence to federal and state constitutions? Lol...

 

Seriously? You fall for something this pedestrian? This is child's play.

A cop's job is to follow the laws of the city and State, and Federal Law, not interpret the Constitution. They are not judges assigned to interpret the law, or politicians elected to pass laws. Their job is to do as they are told.

These guy want to make up the law as they go based on their own interpretation of the Constitution. As I said, it is the literal definition of a police state.

Understand now or should I type more slowly?

 

"The Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association is a political organization of local police officials in the United States who contend that federal and state government authorities are subordinate to the local authority of county sheriffs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_Sheriffs_and_Peace_Officers_Association

In other words they have the order upside down. State government is over city government. The Federal government is over the state government. They are taking powers denied to them by law.

 

I welcome you to type as slowly as you like, but nothing I've seen indicates that each cop on the street is going to interpreting constitutional law on the fly. It sounds like they are going to enforce the law. What laws do you think they are going to violate in enforcing the constitution?

 

POT !!give me a better example, most pot users would get charged with misdemeanors, things done by BLM and ANTIFA were horrible, if you leave take them with you, please I beg you.

 

I meant to put this here

What would happen if blue states stopped paying for red states?
A recent Rockefeller Institute study makes clear how much money flows out of Democratic-leaning states into Republican-leaning ones.
https://www.minnpost.com/eric-black...if-blue-states-stopped-paying-for-red-states/

The study
https://rockinst.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/2021-Balance-of-Payments-Report-web.pdf

 

Blue states have legalized pot and are effectively legalizing other drugs as well. We are also home to the smartest people in the world. So get off your fantasy high horse. We are the ones who have created most the technology and miracles of science you see all around you. And we pay for 70% of the country.

As for the rest of your nonsense, great, we are leaving. Stop whining about it. What the hell do you want?

 

Oh yes, and Maine is a Blue State. Guess you had better move.

Even now we are seeing young couples planning to flee red states. The risk of getting pregnant in some red states will be too high. It could cost the women their lives.